help with census please

[whdsn]

hi
    i found some ancestors on the 1881 census and I'm having trouble trying to trace them. they are James heggie 53 born abt 1828 in Scotland widow his sister Emma radman 44 born abt 1837 westminster middlesex. i traced James daughter Jane heggie born abt 1873 fulham. they were living 2 chesham cottages washington road district kingston surrey

[danuslave]

Which way are you trying to trace them - forwards or backwards (or both)?

If you have the census references can you post them as it helps with searches.

Linda

[whdsn]

hi linda
              both ways please

[danuslave]

Just rummaging around -

Birth registration for Jane Heggie

1872 Jun qtr  Kensington  Vol 1a p222

Kensington was the registration district for Fulham in 1872

Death  Mary Ann Heggie
Registration 1876 Sep qtr
Age at Death: 42
Kingston Vol 2a P161

Death  John William Heggie
Registration 1877 Jun qtr
Age at Death: 2
Kingston Vol 2a P153

I’ve found a marriage for James Heggie & Mary Ann Scotland 1869 
in the free indexes on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk but you have to pay to see any more

[whdsn]

hi Linda
              i think they got James forename wrong, i put down john and found him on the 1891 census and traced him back to Scotland 1841 census. that death entry you found of john William heggie matches with him john and his fathers forename William. also i found this john was a gardener same as the James we were looking for. i think john might have been married a couple of times. Wayne

[danuslave]

Good oh 

What else do you still need?

Linda

[whdsn]

hi linda
             jane heggie had a son in 1891 out of wedlock father not sure yet. there is a birth record for him = ARTHUR HEGGIE 1891 sep qrt kingston middlesex,surrey. we all knew him as arthur but i found on ancestry.co.uk his marriage record = WILLIAM A HEGGIE - mary roberts. could it be william was added later on? if i send off for a certificate which one would be best. wayne

[danuslave]

Hi Wayne

It depends what you're hoping to find

Normally birth certificate would give you

date and place of birth

child's given name(s) (not surname) - may just say male or female

father's name & surname

mother's name, surname and maiden surname (presumably both Heggie here)

occupation of father

name and address of informant (person who registered the birth)

date of registration

Unless the father registered the birth or was there to admit paternity, it is quite likely that the two fields above in red will be blank for an illegitimate birth

A marriage certificate will normally show

date & place of marriage

whether after banns or by license

who performed marriage

names of witnesses

for each of bride & groom

name(s) & surname

age - sometimes only shown as 'full age' ie over 21 (before 1970)

condition - bachelor, spinster, widow etc

rank or profession (ie occupation)

residence at time of marriage

father's name & surname  (will sometimes also show if he is deceased, but this is not consistent - so don't assume he was alive at the time just because he isn't shown as deceased)

rank or profession of father

Be aware that someone who was illegitimate might fabricate a 'father's name' - there doesn't seem to have been much checking that the information supplied was accurate!

Only you can decide which certificate is likely to be of most use in this particular case.  Hope it all works out   

Linda

[whdsn]

hi  LINDA
                just read your reply,thanks for that. just sent away for a birth certificate. i can't understand if ARTHUR  was registered as ARTHUR HEGGIE at birth why did he put WILLIAM A HEGGIE down on his marriage certificate, maybe his father was called William?