radford/oakington/swavensy ???

[margaret patricia]

hello
would be so grateful if anyone has info on a thomas radford born abt 1829/ i cant find his death cert out here ( aust ) but have seen a thomas with william and Ann ( believing he was a butchers labourer, if i have right one he arrived abt 1854 and said his father was dead.
any info on him or any of the familys greatly appreciated, thanks so much
margaret ( aust )

[bedfordshire boy]

Cambs FHS has an excellent website which includes a baptism index 1801-37. but there's no sign of a Thomas Radford born c1829. There are also census indexes and in 1851 there's a Thomas Radford age 24 in Oakington.

The full entry reads
Cambridge Rd, Oakington
Ann Radford head widow 65 b Soam Cambs (Soham?)
Thomas Radford son unmarr 24 ag labourer b Oakington

This looks like the family in 1841
Coles Lane Oakington
Ann Radford 55 butcher
Isaiah Radford 21
Thomas Radford 14
Mary Radford 16?
Ann Radford 10

But I still can't see a baptism of any of the children who appear in the 1841 census. Were they non-conformist?

I'm still looking!

David

If you check www.freebmd.org.uk there's a death in the December quarter 1840 in Chesterton registration district, which includes Oakington, of a William Radford, which might be the father.

[Selina]

Cambs. Burial Index -

1840  William Radford aged 62 buried Oakington.  I don't have Oakington PR CD so can't get other details.

That William's burial is the closest William to the required date at Oakington on the index, the previous one was 1818 and the next 1863.  There were quite a lot of Radford's at Oakington apparently. 

Selina

[margaret patricia]

thank you for replying, yes that sounds like william, but i will have to see if i can find thomas birth.
thanks
margaret

[bedfordshire boy]

but i will have to see if i can find thomas birth.

Not sure where you'll find it if none of the children of William and Ann were baptised for whatever reason. You will probably have to be content with the information on his marriage cert, and occupations in censuses. It looks pretty sound to me, but you just won't get a baptism date.

David

[margaret patricia]

david
thanks for your reply, i think they might have been r/c ? . think william married an Anne. so is their any way i can find a birth certificate for thomas please ?
i have followed another line a little of isaiah who had a child isaiah and i think the child came to australia ?? but contacted someone a couple of years ago and they said they didn't know of a thomas so thought i had wrong family.
i have a thomas coming out on plantaganent (ship ) and was 24 Yrs old
so can i get a birth cert, or would parents marriage, as deaths don't have family on them do they ?
thanks again
margaret

[bedfordshire boy]

Birth certificates were only introduced with the advent of civil registration in 1837. Before that date you need to find the baptism. But as William and Ann (and it's still an assumption that Ann who appears in censuses was the widow of William) don't appear to have baptised their children in the established church you need to find other evidence. That comes in censuses, of which you've had details, and such evidence as you have in Australia, particularly his marriage and death certs, as Australian death certs contain much more information than do English ones.

I think your Thomas and Isaiah were brothers going by the 1841 census.

I think they were likely to have been Baptist or something similar, rather than Catholic.

David

[margaret patricia]

david
thank you again, i will get william & ann marriage certificate, i'm thinking that ann may have remarried ? or it was her daughter who married a Markham in abt 1841
thanks again
margaret

[bedfordshire boy]

As I posted earlier, Ann was still a widow in 1851 so it couldn't have been her who married a Markham in 1841. As William and Ann's marriage was pre 1837 there's no certificate - you need to find it in parish registers. You'll get parishes of residence and witnesses, but no details of fathers - this helpful detail was only added in 1837.

David