Completed -Possible Cemeteries for death in Cockermouth 1865

[emmsthheight]

Hi Cathy

Have you got the death certificate for George?  Or even an exact date from other sources?

Cockermouth Registration District would cover Keswick.  You've a census in Keswisk.

If he did actually die in Keswisk, by this date, eithter church could apply.  I know families who are split between the two.  Crosthwaite was the whole area, but the church is still in Keswick, albeit on the edge, and many Keswick folkattended as they still do.  St John's is nearer the centre on the other side and is  the town church with its own burial ground, but either could apply.

Of course, he could have been taken back to a family plot out of town such as St John's in the Vale or \Threlkeld or wherever they'd lived.  Or they could have moved to Cockermouth by the time of his death.

If you have quite a good date, someone might look in the papers for an announcement, but there are quite a few to choose from.  Some people used a Penrith or Cumberland paper.

If you're unlucky, it's really a death certificate for these large districts unfortunately.

Last time I was at the record office, we got a lot of information from one of these churches but the other stopped quite early and I'm sorry I can't remember the details.

If you had an exact date, they might checlk both for you.

Someone might check the grave if you could find the number.

I'll see what I can see.

Best wishes

Emms

[cathyaus]

Thanks Emms - I will get on & order the death certificate today to give a better idea of where & when exactly he died.

Cathy

[emmsthheight]

Hi Cathy

Do let us know how you get on, or if you have any more questions while you're waiting.

I know the cost adds up, but in this case I would, too.  Then hopefully we can pin down which church and help you find a grave.

Best wishes from a cold wet England!

Emms

[cathyaus]

Hello Everyone

Well I have received the death certificate of George Sedgwick.

Details from the certificate:
When  & Where died
23rd November, 1865
Shorley Croft
Keswick

Signature, description & residence of Informant:
Elizabeth Jackson
Present at the death
Kings Head Yard
Keswick

George Sedgwick, in the 1861 census, is living at Jackson's Yard in the Parish of Crosthwaite in the town of Keswick with his wife Ann.

In the 1851 census, George is recorded as a 50 year old ostler, living at King’s Head Yard,  Keswick with his wife Ann (age 47).

Not exactly sure why George died at Shorley Croft & why Elizabeth Jackson from his address in the 1851 census was present at the death ! ?

Do you think that if I contacted the Record Office at Kendal (is this the one I should contact) that they would have any information regarding his place of burial ??

In Australia - especially in the State (translate to County if I was in England)of New South Wales -the death certificates also include the details of where the burial or cremation occured ! 


Thanks
Cathy

[Geoff-E]

Shorley Croft is a present day address on the Penrith Road - see red marker http://tinyurl.com/ya32sgw

Notice too Shorley Lane close by.  At the bottom of the picture you can see the parish church and, to the south of the church, Keswick Cemetery.

As you have the date and place of death, I would contact Whitehaven Records Office and see if they can give you a burial date http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/recordoffices/whrec.asp

I see Elizabeth JACKSON was unmarried in 1851 but widowed in 1861 

[cathyaus]

Hi Geoff
Thank you for the informatio & the links.

Are you a local ? & do you know what Shorley Croft is - I thought that it was a village ??

I will definately email Whitehaven Records Office - thanks kindly for the link !

I see Elizabeth JACKSON was unmarried in 1851 but widowed in 1861   

Didn't even think to look into that situation - even thought I suspect something was a bit strange - will need to check that out too

Thanks again
Cathy

[Geoff-E]

How's this? http://tinyurl.com/ybf3pu7 so it's actually the house in the centre here (set back from the road) http://tinyurl.com/ygakhm6

Am I a local ... no, I'm just a few mouse clicks away from everywhere! 

[cathyaus]

Geoff - thank you so much for finding out Shorley Croft for me !! - Amazing you are 

Am I a local ... no, I'm just a few mouse clicks away from everywhere!      

Appreciate your help
Cathy

[emmsthheight]

Hi Goeffe and Cathy

Exciting!  You definitely do get everywhere Goeffe.

I've walked down there endless times, living in Cumbria with loads of folk in the area, but I didn't know Shorley Croft and didn't know that was Shorley Lane. 

There were definitely people from the area being buried in both places,  St John's gave relief when the old Crosthwaite Church couldn't cope, specifically for Keswick. but loads of Keswick folk from all areas go to Crosthwaite.

It wouldn't be too big a job to ask them to check both churches now that you have a date.

Those cottages around there and on the lane are pretty old on the whole, but even so, I winder if it was literally a croft as in a small area of land for crops/livestock for the family to subsist on before the cottages were lall built.  Owned by a Shorley?

Most of this area has been underwater - and Station Road close by abd Greta Bridge are some of the worst.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/07jk/

I can only think of old maps or especially a tithe map for more clues - though that really means going in the record office.

Great Stuff!

Best wishes

Emms