Census check

[pwtan]

Hi
Could anybody please look up the following address on the 1851, 1861, 1871 census;
Tyddyn Mawr, Dolbenmaen
I am looking for Robert Price and family

And also Mynydd Ednyfed Fawr,  Cricieth for 1871 and 1881 looking for David Evans and family.

Thanks in advance
Pwtan

[wendy47]

Hi pwtan

1851 Census for TyddynMawr, Dolbenmaen

Rice     Price     Head  U   48     Farmer of 200 acres & 80 acres ?? 3 Labs Llandanwg     Merionethshire
Jane    Price    Sister U   45    Farmer's dau Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire    Wales
Margaret    Price    Sister U   43    Farmer's dau Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire    Wales
Robert    Isaac    Brother U   39    Farmer's son employed at Home Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire    Wales
Alice    Price    Sister U   35    Farmer's dau Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire    Wales
Sarah    Evans    Niece U   8     Scholar Llanfihengel Y Pennant Caernarvonshire    Wales
Griffith    Owen    Servant M 24    Farm Labourer   Llanfihengel Y Pennant Caernarvonshire    Wales
John    Morris    Servant U   17    Farm Labourer Llanfihengel Y Pennant Caernarvonshire    Wales
Morris    Griffith    Servant U   12    Farm Labourer Penmorfa Caernarvonshire Wales

HO 107 Piece 2512 Folio 457 page 20

Wendy

[wendy47]

Hi  pwtan

1861 Census for TyddynMawr, Dolbenmaen

Jane     Pryce     55     Head  U Farmer of 200 Acres emp 3 men b Dolbenmaen Caernarvonshire     
Alice    Pryce    44    Sister U Farmer's dau b   Dolbenmaen    Caernarvonshire    
John    Jones    30    Farm Servant b Bryncroes Caernarvonshire    
Thomas    Jones    19    Farm Servant b Mollolyn    Caernarvonshire    
Elinor    Jones    22    Domestice Servant b Bryncroes Caernarvonshire

RG9 Piece 4326 Folio 58 Page 8

Wendy

[wendy47]

Hi pwtan

1871 Census for TyddynMawr, Dolbenmaen
    
Griffith    Morris    Head 42    Farmer of 170 acres emp 3 men b Penmorfa Caernarfonshire
Jane    Morris    Wife 64 Farmer's Wife b Dolbenmaen    Caernarfonshire    
Ann    Williams    Servant 26 General Servant b Llanfihangal Caernarfonshire    
William    Pritchard    Servant    21 Farm Servant b   Dolbenmaen Caernarfonshire    
Isaac    Roberts    Servant    22 Farm Servant b Llanfihangel Caernarfonshire    
Robert     Griffiths     Servant     15  Farm Servant b Dolbenmaen Caernarfonshire

RG10 Piece 5700 Folio 65 Page 14

Marriages Mar 1869
Morris  Griffith    Festiniog    11b   549   
Price    Jane   Festiniog  11b   549

Is he the Morris Griffith from 1851 do you think??

Wendy

[wendy47]

 Hi

There is
1871 census for Mynydd Ednyfed Fawr, Cricieth

Richard Owen 16 [46 ] Farmer of 140 acres b Dolbenmaen, Caernarfonshire
Mary Owen 42 Wife Llanaclhaiain, Caernarfonshire
Margret Owen 6 Dau b Cricieth, Caernarfonshire
Griffith Roberts 27 Farm Servant b Denis, Caernarfonshire
Richard Prichard 23 Farm Servant b Llanggbi, Caernarfonshire
Thomas Williams 35  Farm Servant b Llangstymdwy, Caernarfonshire
Elizabeth Hughes 29 House Servant b Glanylym, Caernarfonshire
Laura Roberts 15 House Servant b Ynyscynhaian, Caernarfonshire
Evan Roberts 25 Boarder U Shepherd b Dogelly, Merionethshire
 
RG10 Piece 5702 Folio 9 Page 10


But living in Railway Terrace, Criccieth Caernarfonshire in the 1871 census is the following family

David Evans  Head     28 House Joiner  b Criccieth Caernarfonshire 
Elizabeth    Evans Wife 27     b Abererch Caernarfonshire    
Robert Evans Son 4 Schooler b Criccieth Caernarfonshire    
David Evans Son 2 b Criccieth Caernarfonshire

 RG10 Piece 5702 Folio 6 Page 3

Wendy

[pwtan]

Hi Wendy

Thanks for looking into those addresses for me, its a big help
Just realised that Robert Price died in 1845, so he would not have been on the census returns, but his children are on there so thats great.
Thanks again for your time, much appreciated
Pwtan

[grem yn y rhondda]

Just looked at census in 1871 for Mynydd Ednyfed Farm in Criccieth, the farm of Richard and Mary Owen (aged 46 and 42).  Their only child - a little girl, Maggie aged 6 -  became Mrs David Lloyd-George (1864-1941).
The family on my own tree is that of Rev John Owen, Ty'n Llwyn (1807-1876) and I am sure there is a close family association between "Maggie's" father Richard Owen (46 on 1871 census ie b c 1825) and John Owen Ty'n Llwyn.  I thought they may be brothers, but the 18 years between them seems to disprove that theory.  Also, Richard was born Dolbenmaen according to 71 census, whereas John O Ty'n Llwyn was born at Gwyndy farmhouse, Llecheiddior.
The youngest of John O's three sons, Rev John Owen Criccieth (1849-1917), apparently proposed unsuccessfully to Maggie a few months before her marriage to Lloyd George.  And John Owen jnr then jointly presided over their marriage in Pencaenewydd CM Chapel with Lloyd-George's Baptist step-father Richard Lloyd. 
Be very pleased if anyone can throw more light on these connections.  Mainly farming families in Eifionydd, mainly CM.  Farm valuers, experts in Welsh Blacks and scientific farming.

[Huwcyn]

Lady Margaret was a 4th cousin of my g-grandmother,
According to Ceiri Griffith # 40, Richard Owen Was the son of Henry Owen(1771-1835) and Margaret Owen(1782-1841).
The eldest son recorded on that 'tree' is Owen, born 1809. The marriage date for Henry and Margaret is given as 28/11/1807 at Penmorfa. Henry Owen seems to have been one of 12 children, so could the Rev John Owen have been a son to one of his many brothers ?

[grem yn y rhondda]

Many thanks, Huwcyn.  Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Cannot see connection, and no wonder if it is just that Maggie Ll-G and Rev John Owen Criccieth were fond of each other and John Owen and his wife were friends with them both (particularly Margaret or Maggie) till they died.  Probably same chapel, same friends and photos of Rev John at LL G's Llanystumdwy residence (probably about 1900)
Am nearly 72 and have done no family history for some time.  But will get back to it in 3 years when I should have finished my present job and finally retire.  Also, am not currently subscribing to any on-site web sites.
What I have got on my Genes Reunited tree is that Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn, Pentir (1807-1876) was born in Gwyndy (probably not Gwindy), Llanfihangel y Pennant and died at Pen-y-berth farm (which was home of bombing school in WW2).  He married Jane Hughes (1814-1895), daughter of Thomas Hughes (1778-1847), farmer of Derwin Fawr, Clynnog.
Rev John Owen Ty'n Llwyn was the son of William Owen (1764-1847), of Gwyndy, Ll-y-Pennant.  Mother of John Owen was Margaret Jones (1778-1846), the niece of Sunday School pioneer Robert Jones, Rhoslan.
Father of Wm Owen and therefore grandfather of Rev John Owen was Owen Thomas (1729-1816) of Tyddyn y llan in Llangybi.  Patronymics!!!
I note that Richard Owen, father of Lady M Ll-J, claimed he descended from Owain Gwynedd, one of 12th C princes of Wales.  That has also always been claimed by John Owen's family.  But it is through the Humphreys of Nantcyll and they are listed on the Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvon - I have it somewhere.
Owens and Humphreys kept inter-marrying in that area.  And they were close in 19th and 20th centuries.  Mostly CM, mostly farmers and preachers, mostly very well-educated and many buried in CM Cemetery at Tai Duon (above main road between Porthmadog and Caernarfon, from memory).
Best wishes, pob hwyl
Lewis

ps Many thanks to Wendy 46.  You are very kind.