MAYES/DEIGHTON/COX of Knotting

[johnP-bedford]

OK this is something that's puzzling me & I'd like opinions please

On 1841 census at Knotting village we have ...

HO107 Piece 7 Book: 7 Folio: 3; Page: 1

William Mayes age 65, Ag Lab
Sarah Mayes 15
William age 14
George age 11
---- in same house but separated ------
Catharine Deighton age 45

I have baptisms at Knotting........
Sarah  Deighton on 2 Aug 1829 born 18 Feb 1827 to Catharine Deighton (illegitimate)
William Mayes on 25 Dec 1828 to William Cox Mayes & Mary - labourer
George Deighton on 23 Sept 1832 to Catharine Deighton (illegitimate)

I have marriages .....
Knotting 8 Sept 1846
Thomas Sawford to Sarah Mayes Deighton - father William Mayes - woodman
witnesses Elizabeth Cowley & Lydia Tunn

Knotting 12 Oct 1852
George Mayes - father William Mayes - woodman to Rebecca Clark

Souldrop 12 Oct 1847
William Mayes - father William Cox - labourer to Mary Lamb

+ Knotting 8 Aug 1853
Joseph Cox - father William Cox - labourer to Mary Ann Mayes - father William Mayes - labourer

+ Knotting 9 Aug 1838
William Bird to Mary Mayes age 29 spinster - father William Mayes - woodman
 
Both Sarah & George who were Catharine's illeg children claiim William Mayes - woodman to be their father - is he the one in this 1841 household ?

Is William's father William Cox - labourer a different chap to the woodman?

Can someone find a marriage of William Cox Mayes to Mary - parents of William
 
Could Catharine Deighton be Catharine Tunn who married Thomas Deighton on 11 Nov 1818 at Knotting, witnesses John Tunn & Sarah Cox

I cannot find death of Catharine or her on 1851 census. I did find her in the Bedford Union workhouse in 1848 born 1792 of Knotting

Interestingly William Mayes & wife Mary went off to Australia in 1851 with a James Sawford of Knotting, who is brother to Thomas who married Sarah Mayes Deighton.

cheers John

[bedfordshire boy]

Go and pour yourself a drink John.  Don't go away.  I'm working on it. On my fourth sheet of paper trying to understand them.

Don't let that stop anyone else with a faster, more up to date, brain than mine from chipping in in the meantime!

David

With Mayes names like Swithin, Shadrack and Sherebiah you'd think this family was going to be easy!

[Paco]

Hi,
I like a challenge!!

Right here is what I have come up with;
1) On the 1841 census there are families for Deighton/Cox and Mayes that are in addition to the ones you mention living in Knotting.

2) William Mayes 1776 seems to have been married to a Jane Abbott 18/2/1805, and after produced three children-one pair of twins-she then died on the 5/1/1812. Jane's parents were Hannah and Thomas. The children were John Nimrod Mayes and his twin Tabitha Mayes born 17/5/1807, and Mary Abbott Mayes 5/8/1810. This could be your Mary Ann Mayes who later married William Bird as the date is about right.

3)William Mayes 1776ish buried Knotting aged 74 years 12/11/1848,St Margaret, Beds.

4)There are a couple of William Cox's who married Mary's in the 1820's, but although they are in Beds they are not in Knotting.

5) I guess it is possible that William and Mary Cox who had William Cox Mayes and Joseph Cox died, and that William Mayes 1776ish brought them up-perhaps Mary was his sister?

6) I would think that the two children Sarah and George who are living with William Mayes in the 1841 census are the same two who were born to Catherine Deighton 1829 and 1832 bearing in mind the dates on 1841 weren'y very correct sometimes.

Just a few thought-hope it helps
regards.

[johnP-bedford]

David, I'm hving that drink & the dinner is now for eating so I'll be quick

Thanks for looking.

Note on 1841 next door we have Sheribiah Mayes & wife Elizabeth (Arnold) - he being son of John Nimrod Mayes & Sarah Williamson, his brother Shadrach buried at Knotting in 1823 at age 2

& thanks Paco for your thoughts - I will review it later.

cheers John

[johnP-bedford]

Paco;   the Knotting PR has burial on 5 Jan 1812 of Jane wife of William Mayes - woodman,  their daughter Mary most likely is the one who married William Bird.

Their son John Nimrod married Maria Marshall at Knotting on 17 Jul 1827

Their daughter Tabitha was buried at Knotting on 12 Sept 1818 at age 11

[Paco]

Hi,

This is as far as I got because like you I had to stop for drink and food!! I found much of this info on IGI
regards.

[johnP-bedford]

It looks like William the woodman baptised 5/11/1775 is son of Thomas & Hannah Mayes, & they also had John Nimrod 22/4/1787 - who married Sarah Williamson in 1809.

They also had Martha 25/1/1778 buried 6/11/1780
& John 5/11/1780 buried 12/11/1780
& Tabitha 15/10/1780 buried 18/10/1780

I don't know who the Hannah is that Thomas married, but he most likely is son of Robert & Rebecca Mayes, baptised 26/07/1752

So that's sorted out where William came from .......  if he then fathered Sarah & George with Catherine Deighton & they were illegitimate & she was the Catherine Tunn who married Thomas Deighton, then I would expect that her husband has died before then (1827) - otherwise she may have passed them off as his.  I cannot see his death/buiral,

I'm off for another drink before I resolve this before David has typed out his theory

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi John

Hope you've not had too many glasses while waiting!

Not sure where to start and how to put across a logical response, as there are a number of sub threads.

I think the key is probably the marriage of Sarah Mayes DEIGHTON to Thomas SAWFORD, where her father is named as William MAYES. This links the people in the 1841 census not only to Sarah, but to George MAYES' marriage, and through William's occupation of woodman, to Mary MAYES by his wife Jane ABBOTT.

So, in answer to (and Rootschat has now gone down again for the nth time this week so this is going to take longer than expected. Hang on while I pop down to the post office to send them another postcard - fifth today)

Both Sarah & George who were Catharine's illeg children claiim William Mayes - woodman to be their father - is he the one in this 1841 household ?

I would say yes.

I cannot find death of Catharine or her on 1851 census. I did find her in the Bedford Union workhouse in 1848 born 1792 of Knotting

I can't see what happened to Catherine Deighton either

Could Catharine Deighton be Catharine Tunn who married Thomas Deighton on 11 Nov 1818 at Knotting, witnesses John Tunn & Sarah Cox

I think so. I can't find a burial in Beds of Thomas DEIGHTON that fits - is this why Catherine never married William MAYES? Interesting that it was Lydia TUNN who was a witness at Catherine's daughter's marriage to SAWFORD.

Can someone find a marriage of William Cox Mayes to Mary - parents of William

Can't see anything on the BVRI. I know you've checked the IGI! I can't see a burial of Mary in Knotting 1828-41 other than the 23 year old wife of Swithin

+ Knotting 8 Aug 1853
Joseph Cox - father William Cox - labourer to Mary Ann Mayes - father William Mayes - labourer

I think this Mary Ann MAYES is the daughter of William and Martha. This William was from Ravensden born c1795. He baptised children in Knotting 1823-42

Is William's father William Cox - labourer a different chap to the woodman?

I'll leave the hard question to last! It's odd that the 1828 baptism appears to be that of a married couple, yet we know that the William living with Catherine wasn't married at that time, and the birth is sandwiched between his two illegitimate children, an unlikely scenario. But if he's not William's child why's he living with him in 1841. I think I'd like to see the parish register for all of these entries before attempting to answer this question!

David

PS Thomas and Catherine DEIGHTON didn't appear to baptise any children. The relevance of which escapes me!

[bedfordshire boy]

Paco, you've lost me on your item number 5. Can you expand on this please? What evidence is there that Mary was a Cox, rather than, say, it was William the father's mother who was a Cox?

Who's Joseph Cox?

David