MIRINA DOTESIO

[lizdb]

The Emma Ann whose chr I found in 1858, is here on 1861

Rg9 228 74 42
St Andrews Undershaft, Aldgate

Samuel Gardner Garritt 53 Housekeeper in charge of house bnIpswich Suffolk
MAry Ann wife 50 b City of london
Emma Ann Dotesio 3 niece bn London

then she dies age 10 in 1868 (on FreeBMD)

so that doesnt help tell if she is a younger sis of Mirina's if Chalres married again after Maria's death!

[lizdb]

Quite possible though

MArriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1851
West London  2 316
Chalres Dotesio
one of brides - Emma Cutler

[lizdb]

Sad
It looks as if Emma (Charles 2nd wife by the look of it, thus Mairina's step mum)
dies giving birth to Emma Ann or soon after

Birth Emma Ann Dotesio
Oct/Nov/Dec 1857 Newington

Death Emma Dotesio
Oct/Nov/Dec 1857 Newington

then Emma Ann with rellies in 1861 as found

then Emma Ann dies 1868 Newington aged 10

[jorose]

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/
 - shows Charles Dotesio, originally from Milan, became a British citizen in 1844.

http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/
 - several mentions here for Dotesios, I think there may be a death in 1864 for Charles but you would have to pay to see the full info. (Also a notice of Mirina's marriage in 1876).

books.google.com shows up a death notice for Charles Dotesio in 1864 - he died in Paris. "Late of the Royal Hotel of Slough".  Also a 1851 marriage for the same gentleman, to Elizabeth, daughter of Mr Edw. Paynter, Norwich.
There is also a mention in "Hic Et Ubique: Reminiscences" of a Dotesio who had a hotel in Slough and then a restaurant in Paris at Rue de Castiglione.

Now, there are some Dotesios on the 1871 census b. France - a Louis E, 19, b. Paris ("English Subject"), and a Sophie M, 15, b. Paris ("British Subject").

My suggestion would be that at some point (soon after the marriage of Charles to Elizabeth), the family went to Paris -  possibly Charles had business there. At least two children were b. to Charles and Elizabeth there. Probably this is where Marina is in 1861 (and perhaps 1871?).

Incidentally some of the family are on freebmd with other spellings - Dotesis, Dotesie, etc.  The 1851 marriage of Charles to Elizabeth Paynter (as opposed to the London marriage to Emma Cutler), is under Dotesie.


John, who were the witnesses at Mirina's marriage? Curious to know if any of the family were there.

[Valda]

Hi

30th September 1851 St Bride Fleet Street
Charles Dotesis Full Age Bachelor Hotel Keeper Fleet Street Charles Dotesis Hotel Keeper
Emma Cutler Full Age Spinster Fleet Street Norman Cutler Tanner
By Banns, both signed
Witnesses Samuel Gordon? Farriott and Ann Cutler

13th January 1858 Saint George The Martyr Southwark born 17th November
Emma Ann Dotesio parents Charles and Emma, St Georges Road, father's occupation Gentleman

The other Charles Dotesis marriage

Marriages Dec 1851   
Dotesie  Charles     Hull  22 392   
PAYNTER  Elizabeth     Hull  22 392

and wife and daughter

1861 census RG9 15 folio 10
46 Elgin Crest St Mary Abbots Kensington
Elizabeth Dotesa 36 Wife Late Married Visitor Norwich Norfolk
Sopha M Dotesa 5 Niece Paris France

On her 1886 marriage Sophia Maria gives her father as Charles James Dotesio (deceased) Hotel Keeper.
Elizabeth remarried in 1864.

1851 census HO107 1513 folio 59
Great Ormond Street St George the Martyr
Charles James Dotesie 23 Clerk and Secretary London

The Gentleman Magazine gives sufficient information to place the marriage to Elizabeth as the elder Chales Dotesio (born circa 1798 according to the 1851 census so he could have married several times)

Gentleman's Magazine 1852 in full
At Hull Mr Charles Dotesio Proprietor of the Railway Hotel Hull and Royal Hotel Slough to Eliizabeth eldest daughter of Mr Edward Paynter of Norwich.

and the marriage in London was to the younger Charles Dotesio since he was a bachelor on his marriage.

1881 census RG11 758 folio 7
Alfred Road Sutton Surrey
Charles James Dotesio 53 Head Married Wine Merchant London Middlesex
Elizabeth Ann Dotesio 53 Wife Married Ireland
Charlotte L. Dotesio 14 Daughter Dulwich Surrey

Charles James married again in 1862.


The witnesses to Mirina's marriage were William Hood, Susan Williams and Helen Williams.


Regards

Valda

[softly softly]

Hi All,
Sorry not have got back sooner--looking after 3 young grandchildren for the weekend and shattered all ready. You have all found one awful lot of info. Will digest over next couple of days and get back to you all. Thanks for all efforts so far.

John