evan davies glamorgan

[osprey]

think you'll need their marriage cert to be sure of the families as you go further back

Evan Davies dec qtr 1857 Neath vol 11a pg 791 with Jennett Davies on the same page
or
Evan Davies sept qtr 1855 Neath vol 11a pg 618 with Jennet Griffiths on the same page

Do you have a birth cert for any of the children to confirm Jennet's maiden name?

Having said that, this could be Evan's family in 1851

1851 Bwlch y Gwint, Alltwen HO107/2464 folio 525 pg 10
Evan Davies head mar 52 coal coker b. Lolfa
Jennet wife 42 b. Llanguick
William son 20 finer b. Llanguick
David son 16 labourer b. Llanguick
Evan son 14 b. Llanguick
Daniel son 12 b. Llanguick
Thomas son 10 b. Llanguick
Elizabeth dau 8 b. Cilybebyll
John son 6 b. Cilybebyll
Gwenllian dau 3 b. Cilybebyll

the only baptism I've found so far is for Gwenllian bp 2/6/1847 daughter of Evan & Jennet in IGI extracted batch C024561 for Cilybebyll

1841 Craig Gellinedd, Cilybeyll HO107/1421/16 folio 23 pg 12
Evan David 35 coker
Jennet 30
William 10 coker
Margaret 8
David 6
Evan 4
Daniel 2
Thomas 4 months
all born in county

I suspect that it's the marriage to Jennett Davies that is the correct one as there's a Jennet Davies of the right age on the 1841 census living Alltwen Common with parents Thomas & Catherine ( HO107/1421/16 folio 8 pg but certs are needed to confirm thses findings. It could just be coincidence that there are children who appear to be called after their grandparents.

Llangiwg and Cilybebyll are neighbouring parishes
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangiwg/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Cilybebyll/


 

[kelrob5]

hello, wow u are very good at this i do have this marriage cert, 19/2/1898/ lewis evan davies age 27 widower coal miner , butchers row alttwer killybebill farthers name evan davies deceased coal miner , elizabeth evans age 23 spinster weir or wern ystalyfera llanquick  farthers name evan davies coal miner sian chapel and another gwilym thomas davies age 42 widower 17 riverside merthyr tydfil farthers name lewis thomas davies coal miner to rose rees age 22 spinster riversde merthyr tydfil farthers name jonathan rees coal miner dated 1940 these are my grand parents my grandad was in the army private gwilym davies welsh regiment he served overseas after 1/1/1916 his number is 26451 hope this helps and a big thank you x

[osprey]

the marriage cert you need is of Evan Davies & Jennet from the 1861 census BevBee posted. This will give the names & occupations of their fathers and confirm or not the family I found in 1851 & 1841.

Suspect the address for Lewis is Alltwen and Ystalyfera comes under Llanguick/Llangiwg.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Cilybebyll/Alltwen/

Are the fathers for Lewis & Elizabeth both given as Evan Davies?

 

[kelrob5]

hellow dont have that cert, sorry lewis was married twice 1890 lewis evan davies 20 batcheler haulier in coal works killybebill farther evan davies deceased mary rogers 20 spinster farther john rogers coal miner second elizabeth evans 23 spinster ystalyfera llanquick farther evan evans coal miner it has lewis down as a widower xx

[osprey]

this would seem to be the family in 1901, but Lewis' wife is Alice?  

Rhos, Cilybebyll RG13/5065 folio 134 pg 11
Elizabeth Lewis head widower 61
Ebenezer son 17 haulier colliery
Lewis Davies son-in-law 30 collier
Alice wife 25
Evan son 12
Gwilym T son 3
Thomas J grandson 7 months
all born Alltwen. The enumerator hasn't been consistantin use of relationships
to the head of household as the Davies boys shouldn't be her sons and Alice certainly isn't her wife.

1891 Lewis with first wife, and on the same census page as Elizabeth & Ebenezer Lewis & the rest of the Lewis family.
Colliers Lane, Alltwen RG12/4469 folio 10 pg 28
Lewis Davies head mar 21 coalmine haulier b. Cilybebyll
Mary wife 21 b. Glais
Evan L son 1 b. Cilybebyll

1881 Lewis family with Alice
Alltwen Hill RG11/5348 folio 94 pg 12
John Lewis head mar 54 coal miner b. Pembroke
Elizabeth wife 38 b. Cilybebyll
Ann dau 9 b. Llanguicke
Alice dau 4 b. Cilybebyll
Gwen dau 2 b. Llanguicke
Jennett Davies mother-in-law widow 75 formerly farm servant b. Llanguicke
Evan Davies nephew 17 coal haulier b. Cilybebyll

Now, that's the Jennett from the 1841 & 1851 census entries, so Lewis & Alice appear to be cousins. But I still can't find a link to the marriage cert you have for Lewis Evan Davies & Elizabeth Evans in 1898. Do you have Gwilym's birth cert ot confirm his mother's details?

Gwilym Thomas Davies dec qtr 1898 Pontardawe vol 11 pg 875

 added -

Posts crossed - you need to get that cert to go further back. Also suggest you get birth cert for Gwilym to confirm details as something here isn't right unless you have other census details that go with the Lewis/Elizabeth marriage.

 

[kelrob5]

this would seem to be the family in 1901, but Lewis' wife is Alice?  

Rhos, Cilybebyll RG13/5065 folio 134 pg 11
Elizabeth Lewis head widower 61
Ebenezer son 17 haulier colliery
Lewis Davies son-in-law 30 collier
Alice wife 25
Evan son 12
Gwilym T son 3
Thomas J grandson 7 months
all born Alltwen. The enumerator hasn't been consistantin use of relationships
to the head of household as the Davies boys shouldn't be her sons and Alice certainly isn't her wife.

1891 Lewis with first wife, and on the same census page as Elizabeth & Ebenezer Lewis & the rest of the Lewis family.
Colliers Lane, Alltwen RG12/4469 folio 10 pg 28
Lewis Davies head mar 21 coalmine haulier b. Cilybebyll
Mary wife 21 b. Glais
Evan L son 1 b. Cilybebyll

1881 Lewis family with Alice
Alltwen Hill RG11/5348 folio 94 pg 12
John Lewis head mar 54 coal miner b. Pembroke
Elizabeth wife 38 b. Cilybebyll
Ann dau 9 b. Llanguicke
Alice dau 4 b. Cilybebyll
Gwen dau 2 b. Llanguicke
Jennett Davies mother-in-law widow 75 formerly farm servant b. Llanguicke
Evan Davies nephew 17 coal haulier b. Cilybebyll

Now, that's the Jennett from the 1841 & 1851 census entries, so Lewis & Alice appear to be cousins. But I still can't find a link to the marriage cert you have for Lewis Evan Davies & Elizabeth Evans in 1898. Do you have Gwilym's birth cert ot confirm his mother's details?

Gwilym Thomas Davies dec qtr 1898 Pontardawe vol 11 pg 875

 added -

Posts crossed - you need to get that cert to go further back. Also suggest you get birth cert for Gwilym to confirm details as something here isn't right unless you have other census details that go with the Lewis/Elizabeth marriage.

 
hello again bert cert of gwilym 6/11/1898 rhos killybebill glamorgan farther lewis evan davies /mother elizabeth davies formaly evans farther coal miner registered 1898  it says birth reg district pontadowe  in the couties glamorgan and brecon

[kelrob5]

hello the bith cert for gwilym thomas davies is 6/11/1898 rhos killybebill glamorgan farther lewis evan davies mother elizabeth davies formaly evans  farther coal miner registered  9/12 1898 birth in the sub district of pontadowe thanks

[osprey]

Pontardawe was the registration district for the area at the time
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/pontardawe.html
shows parishes covered.

Looks like Elizabeth died
Elizabeth Davies 25 march qtr 1900 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 596
or
Elizabeth Davies 25 dec qtr 1900 Pontardawe vol 11a pg 493

and then Lewis moved in with his cousin Alice. Their marriage registration is   march qtr 1903 Bridgend vol 11a pg 967 Lewis Davies & Alice Lewis on the same page.

Well, that looks like your ok back to the 1861 census, so it's the 1857 marriage that's needed now.

 

 

[kelrob5]

hello sorry to ask but can u put it in order for me please so that i can write it all down as i am a bit thick lol and a big thank you for your help xx