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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #36 on: Monday 14 October 19 15:56 BST (UK) »

No record of their baptism nor of their parents or their parents ..

I believe they in the 1820 settlers book. Did they register their children as foreign born and  Where they South Africans or Irish. I am finding nothing.

Also seems Alexander married Jane and she was 12 - 16 years old ?!?!  She signed with a simple "X" so how was she to register her children?


Baptisms of Alexander and Edward were probably before the surviving registers for Templemichael began. See my post #32.

When did birth registrations begin in that part of South Africa?  Civil registration of births began 1837 in England & Wales, 1855 Scotland and 1864 Ireland.
Re Jane's age. Legal age for marriage in Ireland and England was 12 for girls. Typical age at marriage for a female was late teens, early 20s. Jane may not have known her actual age.
Jane's literacy skills. That was normal for the time. However just because someone made their mark, it didn't necessarily mean that the person was illiterate. S/he may not have had "penmanship skills" or the parson assumed she didn't and told her to make her mark.
 As to how Jane would have registered her children - if there were no registers then there was no need to register births. If there was civil registration, a system for collecting information would have been devised. When it began in England, registrars were responsible for collecting information through various channels until people became accustomed to the registration regime. What happened in rural Ireland was that father, mother or other relative would register a birth when they went to town for some other reason e.g. market.
Church registers were the main proof of birth before civil registration of births began.
The British government didn't know the size of populations in the countries of the UK in between 1821 & 1831 censuses, let alone how many had been born or died. 
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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #37 on: Monday 14 October 19 15:57 BST (UK) »


Every penny of each £50,000 grant had to be accounted for so Who submitted What for Longford group??


You've probably read this about your Forbes...

https://archive.org/details/britishsouthafri00camp/page/214








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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #38 on: Monday 14 October 19 16:09 BST (UK) »



Was A. W.'s age ever determined??

Was he 17..... and maybe younger brother??

Did he marry? When? Age at Death?

There was a William Forbes from London. I don't know which party he was in.
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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #39 on: Monday 14 October 19 16:23 BST (UK) »


Yes..just rembered after I posted   :D


Forbes, Edward  27 Farmer, wife Harriet (nee McDowell) 27, children Alexander 2 and Harriet 1.


Hope to see if anything else is in the Church Records or even Vestry Books about them tomorrow.







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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #40 on: Monday 14 October 19 16:54 BST (UK) »
 

 
Most of the records I have found were Templemichael.
I can find no records of Alexander & Jane's son Alexander, dates I have been given are 1790,1792 & 1793, his brother Edward also various dates, however I have his marriage certificate 26/11/1815 Templemichael & the birth of his son Alexander 26/5/1817 Templemichael.
I also have Alexander & Jane's wedding certificate 16/9/1780 Templemichael.
That is all I have, and it seems they belonged to the Church of Ireland.
Thanks
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Sheila

 


Trouble with this is there were no Certs then!!

Was there anything else on this entry in Church Register??


Templemichael has Deaths 1796-1943 which might reveal Deaths of Parents, sometimes Grave No., etc


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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #41 on: Monday 14 October 19 18:53 BST (UK) »
WOW!!! This is brilliant Maiden and Hallmark.

Although more questions a lot here I never knew


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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #42 on: Monday 14 October 19 19:10 BST (UK) »
Then you would certainly not be able to prove it today it seems without the notes,Port of entry, letters, churches and books with some proof they existed .

I had a look it seems that Birth records (certificates) were introduced officially in the late 1800’s and was not compulsory until 1905. These are the official dates of when it started in the various provinces:

Cape: 1895
Natal: 1868
Transvaal: 1901
Orange Free State: 1903

Civil registration of births began 1837 in England & Wales, 1855 Scotland and 1864 Ireland.

Question is were their children considered Irish or South African?




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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #43 on: Monday 14 October 19 19:21 BST (UK) »



Crikey...this is getting confusing!!

RE:  Forbes, Edward  27 Farmer, wife Harriet (nee McDowell) 27, children Alexander 2 and Harriet 1.


Didn't all of these go together on boat to S.A  in 1819?  Or Not??

Would I be looking for a Marriage c.1814/1816 era for Edward to Harriet McDowell and Baptisms for Alex and Harriet in Longford??

Were these all Irish or not??







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Re: Alexander Forbes & Jane Williams
« Reply #44 on: Monday 14 October 19 19:23 BST (UK) »
Yes they were all Irish.