George Smith - Hangman

[tango412]

OK All,

Here goes, found my link. The marriage certificate I listed in my last post was wrong. It shoud've been 1878, not 1876. The certificate lists John Smith as James's father, which is what I mentioned in my last post. I visited my late fathers Aunt last week, she was a lovely lady of 97, with a great recollection of her close family.

She said George, the hangman was her great grandfathers brother. George Smith only had one son as far we know and George junior just gets swallowed up by the census somewhere as they travelled around alot. My link is through Bertha - Joseph - James - John (then either Charles or Samuel).

I  now need John's birth certificate and marriage certificate to find out his parents, its either Thomas or Charles, its certainly not George.

My questions for the good people of Rootschat are:

Does anyone know the details of John and his wife?
Can anyone shed any light on where they were married?
Can anyone share any information for Charles or Samuel (George's brothers) That's my connection? This is the big one, I need to know their children ??

I know where Joseph and James are buried, I found James' grave at the weekend.
I've learned to check and re-check my information as my tree has grown, but you can't beat old fashioned talking to people if you have the chance, my fathers aunt had some great stories, you can't get them from the census

Any information, greatly received and I'm more than willing to share any information I have.

[jacquelineve]

 Does anyone know the names of George Smiths(hangman) siblings?

 I'm wondering if there is a connection between George Smith + George Incher (hangman) nephew of George Incher + Sarah Smith(1790)
 a witness to the Incher-Smith marriage(Tipton 1811) was a Joseph Smith.

 Sarah(re-married) was living at Dixons Green Dudley in 1841 census, not that far from Rowley.

I can't exactly establish her baptism.

Jackie

[smith_and_jones]

Siblings for George

IGI: [P009901]
Samuel SMITH chr 28 Dec 1794 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis.
Charles SMITH chr 9 Apr 1797 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis
George SMITH chr 27 Apr 1806 Rowley Regis - parents Thomas SMITH and Frances

Had a look thru the RR disc don't see a Sarah or Joseph to Thomas & Francis.
Wonder if Joseph was her father?

................It is the  Census which gives clues as to his parentage.....

1841: Oakham, Rowley Regis  - 2 consecutive households :
HO107 / Piece 997 / Book: 1 /Folio: 31 / Page: 6
//
Samuel SMITH 46, Ag Lab - b Staffs
Mary SMITH 46 - b Staffs
John SMITH 19, Ag Lab - b Staffs
//

Frances SMITH 73 - Not born Staffs
/
George SMITH 30, AG Lab . b Staffs
Joseph WITHERENCE 25, Ag Lab , b Staffs
William WOODALL 25, AG Lab, b Staffs
Richard HARRIS 24, AG Lab, not born  Staffs
//

1851: Oakham, Rowley Regis has the following 2 consecutive households:
Head: Samuel SMITH 56, Labourer
Wife: Mary SMITH 55,

Head: George SMITH 46, Widower, Labourer
Servant: Mary MASON 78, Widow, Housekeeper
Inmate: John MATTHEWS 60, unm, Labourer
Inmate: Richard LEWIS 63, unm, Labourer
Inmate:Richard HARRIS 39, unm, Labourer
Inmate: William HEWIT 40, unm, Labourer
[All born Rowley]

1861 : Oakham, Rowley Regis  -  sole occupant of his household:
RG9 / Piece: 2037 /  Folio: 61 /  Page: 1
Head: George SMITH 54, unm, AG Lab, b Walsall Staffs

And enumerated immediately before him
Head: Samuel Smith 66, Ag Lab b Oakham
Wife: Mary 65 , b Oakham

1871:  Oakham, Rowley Regis  -  sole occupant of his household:
Head: George SMITH 70, unm, Public Hangman Executioner, b Walsall Staffs
 RG10 /  Piece: 2992 /  Folio: 65 /  Page: 4

No sign of Samuel &  Mary  in 1871.
Neighbours in all these Census are the same throughout.
It does seem to suggest Frances was his mother and Samuel his brother....

IGI: [P009901]
Samuel SMITH chr 28 Dec 1794 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis.
Charles SMITH chr 9 Apr 1797 Rowley Regis - parents: Thomas SMITH & Francis
George SMITH chr 27 Apr 1806 Rowley Regis - parents Thomas SMITH and Frances

Cheers
AMBLY

[tango412]

Evening All,

Its late, I'm tired but wanted to get this one in before I go off on my hols. I've found my link to George Smith and its what I kind of expected. My link is Bertha Smith (Born 1914), Joseph Smith (Born 1885), James (Born 1855), John (Born 1822), Samuel (Born 1795). Joseph and James are buried at St Giles Church in Rowley, if anyone has any information  on the any of the other Smith burials I'd love to know where they are.

There were 3 brothers (all listed in this thread) born to Thomas and Francis Smith. There was George (Hangman), Samuel (my Great x4 grandfather) and Charles.

I can prove all the above by BMD certs. My special thanks to SmithandJones and Flutterbye for their research, really helped. If anyone has anymore information on any of these Smiths, I'd love to hear from you.


Can't be bothered to spell check this, need sleep, Thanks all, happy hunting

[Zen rabbit]

I assume you know that there is a large unpublished book on the history of Stafford Gaol by A J Stanley at the William Salt library in Staffford.

[tango412]

Hi,

No I didn't. What does the book cover and is access available. I know George was responsible for some hangings at Stafford and I believe there is a mention that he had a sone called George too.

Can you shed any further light on the books contents?

[Zen rabbit]

The book is quite a large tome and covers the history of the gaol from 1793 up about 1901. There are also separate manuscripts on employees of the gaol. My ancestor John Stanton was a warder there from 1848 to 1888. He was there at the time of Palmers hanging. Interestingly one fact i discovered from the book was that another john Stanton was hanged there in 1875 for murder. He wasn't hanged until very late on as no one could be found to perform the duty of hangman, he was the first Stafford man to be hanged in Stafford for 90 years!
Access to the book and other documents is quite easy to obtain, you will require a readers ticket obtainable from the Stafford Records office next door and the library is open most days of the week and every first Saturday in the month till 12.00. Well worth a visit.

[tango412]

Thanks for that, its on my list now. I have a arn ticket, so I'll gve them a call and make an appointment, I'd like to see if George was on the books.

Thanks for the info.

[antioch]

i have a few old b.d.m certificates for the smith family, i am the great grandaughter of Joseph and Margeret