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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #18 on: Monday 07 December 09 04:33 GMT (UK) »
He was the eldest... names after his paternal grandfather.

He died in Canada, seemingly would make it simple, but here in Canada getting copies of birth and death records thatare this recent is difficult.

Luckly, I can ask my Grandfather if he remembers his Father's midle name. 

If it begins with a W, I might have my man.. will post back.

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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #19 on: Monday 07 December 09 09:24 GMT (UK) »
It's been quite a search mate, so fingers and toes crossed here in Australia for you.
I'd suggest an e-mail enquiry to:

localhistory[at]north-ayrshire.gov.uk (replace[at]with@)(Attn: Ms Jill McColl)

Ask if they hold a record of the men who served in The Ardeer Company which was formed by Nobel's Explosives Company to guard the Ardeer factory in the event of war. IF the records exist, the North Ayrshire Local History Unit is the place I would DEFINITELY contact. I would suggest you make it clear you are not seeking a complete list of the individuals, rather endeavouring to confirm Alexander McKenzie served in the Company and attempting to determine his second forename; or something similar.

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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #20 on: Monday 07 December 09 14:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Scott

Right, I need to change hats !, - I was approaching the situation entirely from a military records viewpoint, but I need to change to being a genealogist  :)


His name was Alexander McKenzie.
Born May 8th 1896, Stevenston, Ayrshire
Father: Robert Miller McKenzie
Mother: Elizabeth Cringle


Alexander's father was indeed Robert Miller McKENZIE, but, witness his 1894 marriage record, and Alexander's 1896 birth record, Robert doesn't appear to have used his middle name.

It derives from his mother's mother's maiden surname, MILLER.

These are the wains of Alexander McKENZIE, Coal Miner, and Mary McKENZIE MS MILLER

MARY MCKENZIE
b. 29 NOV 1861 Stevenston
MARGARET MCKENZIE
b. 02 SEP 1863 Stevenston
ANN MCKENZIE
b. 09 MAY 1868 Stevenston
SAMUEL MCKENZIE
b. 12 OCT 1871 Stevenston
ROBERT MILLER MCKENZIE
b. 25 JUN 1874

(Info from the Mormon familysearch.org website, which is free; for 1855 to 1875 these records are based on the GROS register books of births, so are very accurate, - in fact better than the ScotlandsPeople indexes in terms of content :o.)


As you noted, Alexander married Jessie McCULLOCH on 4th June 1915 in Kilwinning, his address being shown as 5 Ardoch Crescent in Stevenson.

His occupation is shown as "Factory Worker".  If he had been in the army at this time this would (at least should?!) have been shown as well, e.g. the entry above shows Alexander SMITH as "Tramway Motorman, Gunner 2nd Lowland Brigade RFA"  (Royal Field Artillery).

Had Alexander been in the army, this should have been shown.  If he was in a local Territorial unit, this may not have been shown. 

Even if he wasn't then there was plenty time between the marriage in early June and the creation of the MGC in Oct 1915 fro him to have been called up or volunteered and ended up first in another unit.  Have a close look at the TNA Kew website to understand which medals he could and couldn't have been awarded on the basis of these dates.

Given the 1915 marriage it's possible that there was one or more child between the marriage and his discharge in 1918/1919.

Any such birth record should show his army unit.

There's 17 McKenzie births in Stevenston and Kilwinning (Jessie could well have gone back to her mammy's while her hubby was on active service abroad).

1915 MCKENZIE SARAH                                  KILWINNING
1915 MCKENZIE JOHN                                   KILWINNING
1915 MCKENZIE JOAN PATERSON                  STEVENSTON
1915 MCKENZIE HUGH MCALLISTER              STEVENSTON
1915 MCKENZIE CHRISTINA MALLO               STEVENSTON
1916 MCKENZIE ELIZABETH LAMON               KILWINNING
1916 MCKENZIE ELIZABETH RAMSA               KILWINNING
1916 MCKENZIE HANNAH                               KILWINNING
1916 MCKENZIE JAMES M                               KILWINNING
1917 MCKENZIE MARGARET LENNON             STEVENSTON
1918 MCKENZIE JOAN PATERSON                 STEVENSTON
1918 MCKENZIE JOHN                                   STEVENSTON
1918 MCKENZIE ROBERT ALEXANDE              KILWINNING
1919 MCKENZIE JOHN                                   STEVENSTON
1918 MCKENZIE ALEXANDERINA TE              STEVENSTON
1919 MCKENZIE SARAH                                 STEVENSTON
1919 MCKENZIE WILLIAM                             STEVENSTON

There's no obvious middle name links, but I'd look first at
the 1915 Hugh, the 1916 Hannah, and the 1918 Robert
Alexander ......, except that these images aren't on line !,
so, via ScotlandsPeople you'd have to buy the "extracts" at
£10 apiece !

You father may have info to narrow down the search ?..........

As noted above if there are wartime births from the marriage then
his unit will be shown; possibly, for the MGC, down to battalion or
company level !

Or, wait a while, as there's a chance I'll be in Edinburgh in the next
couple of weeks, and it's about 15 minutes or less to to look up these
records !


The Ardeer Company "A W McKenzie" was probably Andrew Wotherspoon McKenzie, the son of William McKenzie, Steamboat Stoker, and Maggie McKenzie MS Logan, who married in Stevenston in 1891.

Orraverybest

David

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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #21 on: Monday 07 December 09 14:33 GMT (UK) »
PS

1.  The family story of signing up in 1914 appears to be in question.  Had he done so the army unit should be shown on the 1915 marriage record!, but there's always exceptions  ::)

2.  On Alexander's 1896 birth register entry his father is shown as "Labourer, Dynamite Factory" - i.e. Nobels at Ardeer.  But the 1894 marriage register entry shows him as a "Journeyman Tailor".  The reason for the change could be simple one of much better pay at Ardeer !

dww


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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #22 on: Monday 07 December 09 14:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi David,

Thanks for the direction...

I agree, the 1914 sign up date, based on 1915 marriage, has always had a question mark next to it. Of course exceptions just make things more fun!

That information comes from a very short bio written by his employeer upon retirement in Canada, it is possible that the 1914 date was simply assumed.

The "1916 Hannah, and the 1918 Robert
Alexander" are indeed his children.  Robert Alexander is my Grandfather. There was a Hugh, but he was born after my Grandfather R.A.

I have always been a bit perplexed on how there could be so many children born while he was supposedly abroad.

If he was serving in a Territorial Unit at home, would he then be able to be with his wife?

As for the middle name, that is the first time, other than my Grandfather that I see middle name listed, and it was only on his birth record.

Now, starting with my Uncle, all first born male Mckenzie's in our line have the middle name Alexander... though in the future there wil be less ambiguity I would hope.

True, if I could get a copy of my Granfather's, his older sister's birth record the inforamtion may be contained there.

Thanks you for the offer to lookup, if you have the time that would be a great help. I would be indebted to you 

I was either going to order the "extracts" or wait 6 years when, starting with Hannah, they would appear online.

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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #23 on: Monday 07 December 09 14:56 GMT (UK) »
And also thanks for the clarification on A.W. McKenzie..

Too bad that didn't pan out, but then again I am not sure how I would have felt about having an ancestor with the middle name "Wotherspoon"

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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #24 on: Monday 07 December 09 16:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Scott

Time between marriage and enlisting plus the occasional leave could explain the 1916 birth of Hannah and the 1918 birth of Robert Alexander.

The record for Hugh is a "no brainer", there being the following record -
1924 MCKENZIE   HUGH MCCULLOUGH   KILWINNING  8)

So, all that's required now is a wee bit of patience ........

Orraverybest

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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire
« Reply #25 on: Monday 07 December 09 17:02 GMT (UK) »
From the 1881 census, Robert had two younger siblings ......

Kyleshill, Stevenston

Daniel MC KENZIE  4 b. Saltcoats
Agnes MC KENZIE  1 b. Saltcoats

They don't show up in the Mormon records as these only extend to 1875.

Orraverybest

David

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Re: WWI Research - Alexander McKenzie born 1896 Stevenston, Ayrshire - FOUND!
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 10 December 09 20:57 GMT (UK) »
I am please to update this thread with the news that David's generous offer to examine some birth records has elicited the exact inforamtion I have been after!

Once again a thousand thank-you to David, and I am please to report that I have now the medal card for one Alexander McKenzie listed as, Private, Machine Gun Corps, D Co[mpan]y 42 Battalion, No 105918 on his son (my Grandfather) birth record.

Scott