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Re: Watermen and lightermen Apprenticeships Bindings and licences
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:10 BST (UK) »
I'm a bit confused, I have two records both concerning the same man.


First name(s)
REUBEN
Last name
Pressman

Master's first name(s)
Hannah
Master's last name
Redknap

Bound year
1825
Bound day
23
Bound month
Jun
Bound to year
1828
Bound to month
Dec

Date free
Where from notes
-
Source
Reassignments 1688-1908
Record set
Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010
Category
Education & work
Subcategory
Occupations

 
First name(s)
REUBEN
Last name
Pressman

Birth year
-
Master's first name(s)
Thomas
Master's last name
Argent

Bound year
1825
Bound day
23
Bound month
Jun

Place
-
Date free
09 Aug 1832

Where from notes
Poplar

Source
Binding Records 1692-1949
Record set
Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010
Category
Education & work

As you can see almost the same.  I'm not sure exactly what 'reassignments' are ?  I'm thinking he began his apprenticeship with Hannah but was taken over by Thomas  :-\

He's bound to Hannah Redknap from 1825 to 1828 and then to Thomas Argent from 1825 to 1832

Common sense says that Hannah was unable to continue with the apprenticeship for some reason and Thomas took over.   Would I be right in thinking that.
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Sussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell
Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent.
Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins

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Re: Watermen and lightermen Apprenticeships Bindings and licences
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:24 BST (UK) »
Yes, it was common practice for an apprentice to be reassigned (or 'turned over') to another master. FindMyPast describes the Watermen's reassignment records thus ...

The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames reassignments
1688-1908
A list of apprentices who were reassigned from one master to another
12,410 records, including information about both masters and apprentices.


The term of apprenticeship would be reckoned from the date of first binding (1825).

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Re: Watermen and lightermen Apprenticeships Bindings and licences
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:34 BST (UK) »
Yes, it was common practice for an apprentice to be reassigned (or 'turned over') to another master. FindMyPast describes the Watermen's reassignment records thus ...

The Company of Watermen & Lightermen of the River Thames reassignments
1688-1908
A list of apprentices who were reassigned from one master to another
12,410 records, including information about both masters and apprentices.


The term of apprenticeship would be reckoned from the date of first binding (1825).

Doh!  ::)  Thank you very much Bookbox.  I looked on FindMyPast but missed that piece of information 
This convoluted family give me brain ache   ::)
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Sussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell
Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent.
Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins

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Re: Watermen and lightermen Apprenticeships Bindings and licences
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 12:55 BST (UK) »
I am keen to know when a certain lighterman, Charles Stanton, died.  He was born on 6 June 1803, son of Thomas Stanton, a lighterman, and Martha, and was christened at St. Bene't, Paul's Wharf.

He was admitted to Greenwich Hospital School on 11 July 1814 (National Archives, ADM 73/350/49) and was later apprenticed on 6 January 1825 to Joseph Court, a lighterman, and became a freeman on 12 January 1832. 

He married Elizabeth Court on 29 January 1827 at St. Botolph Aldgate, and the couple had three children, William, Rachel Ann, and Thomas christened at All Hallows, Barking, London, between 1827 and 1832.  Elizabeth was buried there on 1 April 1838, aged 38.  However, no burial for Charles has been found.  The family lived in Lower Thames Street.

Quarterage books of the Company (L.M.A., 6401/5 and 6401/2) do not mention him after Lady Day 1834, and the word "Dead" has been inserted at some unknown time.  Similarly, "Dead" appears in the Registers of Freemen (6307/2).

On the 1841 census, Rachel Ann Stanton, his daughter, aged 11, was described as an orphan at the Female Orphan Asylum in Lambeth (National Archives, HO 107/1057/10).

No probate record or intestacy grant has been found for either Charles or his wife, Elizabeth.

Any information about the death of Charles would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Watermen and lightermen Apprenticeships Bindings and licences
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 26 July 16 16:22 BST (UK) »
cant find anything definite but have you tried looking using variations of surname found 2 stents and a standen also tried using surrey Essex and kent as search areas but only London and Middlesex look promising , hope someone else can be more positive we lightermen descendants have a right to be proud of our forefathers .
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Re: Watermen and lightermen Apprenticeships Bindings and licences
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 12 March 24 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi I am new here and struggling with posting in the right place.
I am trying to find any relatives from the Hoskins and Corsans families. Lighterman and waterman.  I have been on findmypast and have had a wonderful time finding some of them.  Went back  to 1648
  Whilst searching I have found places like this with people also searching for maybe the same family.  Cfox site had a lady called Karen looking for same family, but her last post was many years ago.  They were in Erith and Stepney.  Thank you.  Debbie