Alnwick Parish records 'completed'

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Another thing I meant to mention.  There were no more baptisms after 1758 which means that they stopped having children just 12 years after the marriage.

This made me look for burials for either parent but I found none from 1758 to 1765.  I also wondered whether they were a little older when they married which could mean that they had previous marriages - Ogle may have been Mary's first married name for example.

It could also mean that they moved away from Alnwick.

All manner of permutations!

Christine

[wyanga]

Hi Christine,
                    Thank you for your search effort. You have provided me with a couple more family members and a place for Thomas, which is no mean effort for the mid 1700's.
    It all helps to build up the family and could lead to more connections.
    I think that I found a death for Mary Eltis, widow, at Atnwick 5 Apr 1792 in the Bishops transcriptions. Will have to have another look to see if I missed Thomas's there.
     Amongst my accumulated data I had a John Eltis born 1814 , with Father Robert, so that could be the Robert that you found. That John married Marry Ann Coulson 1841.
     I also have at least two Ogle familys at Embleton having children 1721 to 1724 but so far don't have a Mary.
    All fuel for conjecture and more searches.
 Thank you Christine, your effort is much appreciated.   

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One more thing I didn't mention because I wanted to check it out first.  Most baptismal records give father's occupation but not for Thomas - instead they say that he comes from Facy's Park (also Facey's Park).  Sometimes these looked like Falley's Park so I had to find out first.

It is Facy's or Facey's Park and I found verification of it on the Militia lists AND would you believe it I think it's your Thomas on the list!  In fact there are two Thomas Eltes shown which adds to your thoughts on a son of the same name.  See here -

http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Alnwick_C13.htm

Militia list page 4

Christine

[wyanga]

Christine you are wonderfull. I was ready to sign off on this topic and you have come up with more
information. I take it that Facey's Park, was an area or place at Alnwick. I have viewed the Militia Document p4 with the two Thomas Eltes. Can you tell me the meaning for Hine or is it Hind ?
 Wyanga

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Firstly - I assume Facey's park is an area of Alnwick - that particular part of the militia list is headed Alnwick South (or similar).  I have failed to find exactly where it is but someone on here might know.

A hind is, to my understanding, someone who works on the land or with farm animals but with more responsibility than an agricultural labourer.  I'm sure there's a more precise definition!!

Christine

[Michael Dixon]

 A hind.... worker on the land, with a wide range of meaning. 

From labourer to sort of foreman to steward.  The nearer to Scotland the higher the status of "hind".

Trivia.
When I was bairn/kid in Bebside Colliery village in 1940s, there was a farm (Liddles) in amongst the coalminers houses. Farmer Liddle had two farm workers--who looked after cattle, geese chickens etc, and the fields- barley, turnip, potatoes...... we called them "the hinds".

Michael

[Michael Dixon]

 This afternoon I was browsing Alnwick Parish church records in a book of transcriptions dated 1923.

For all  Eltis bapts their abade was listed.. Facey's Park, Facy's Park, Facies Park.

 The Northumberland County Council's online database of places/townships/parishes (they call it "Farm Index") has it listed as Faces Park.

 Uses Christine's link ( I don't do links lol) from left hand menu choose " Plans"
 See 1820 and 1828 maps.... F...... Park lies between Alnwick and Shilbottle to the south.

Again using the link.... see entry no 98 in the Bastardy record of maintenance orders... unmaed Ogle child in later era.

Mary's burial 5 4 1792... transcription has  " a pauper" at end of entry !

William's bapt was 11th July 1756. Transcriber frequently used the symbol 
 "  -  "  as a "ditto"

Michael

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Thanks Michael - I hoped you would find it - I looked at those plans but didn't spot it at all!

I also spotted William's date of baptism as 11th - forgot to mention it amongst all the other stuff.

Off now to look at those plans again.

Christine

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OK I'm happy now - I found it!

Not sure how I missed it the first time 

I note that on the 1828 map it is written as all one word - Faceypark.

C