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Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« on: Tuesday 08 December 09 07:03 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone help solve a many generation old family riddle please?

I have an ancestor- Henry Mottlee- who allegedly worked in India as a medic of some sort.

Henry was born in Westminster in 1839. His father died in 1850 and mother in 1854- both of consumption.
Henry disappears after the 1851 census where he appears with his mother, and does not re-appear until 1873 when he marries in Hackney to Elizabeth Anna Griffin.

Henry and Elizabeth have a family over the next few years, and in 1887 they emigrate to Australia.

Family legend has it that Henry worked in India at some time, and older relatives remember him having a 'doctors bag with all the bottles and jars of curatives', and I have discovered a letter in the Sydney Town Clerk files in Australia mentioning the government there contacting him in 1906 to seek his advice on plague management as he was'the most qualified man in the country on this topic, having worked for the Indian government as an advisor on plague management'.

His Australian death certificate in 1921 lists his occupation as a medical specialist (informant was grandson) and yet there is no mention anywhere else of him being a doctor or anything similar- his occupations on all other documents list him as a stationer, newspaper editor and bootmaker!!

I checked THakers on Ancestry- but I dont think the dates suit when Henry might have been there.
Does anyone know anything more about Brits working in India in the later 1800's that can shed some light or point me in the right direction- I have no idea how to solve this riddle- but would really love to!!
KYlie B

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Re: Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 December 09 13:58 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if he possibly ended up entering the army for a time? That might explain his absence from censuses.
What was his address/occupation/witness names in 1873?
Did he have any siblings?

http://newspapers.bl.uk/
 - there are a couple hits for Henry Mottlee in 1879 here, relating to some court case, might be worth paying for the full information to see what he was up to.
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Re: Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 December 09 05:03 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

there is this site Families in British India here:
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php

you might  alsoneed to look at Motley /Mottlie etc

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Re: Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 December 09 06:28 GMT (UK) »
Re India: after the Mutiny in 1857 things changed in India.  The East India Company's control of the country passed to the Brisith Crown.. Queen Vic. was proclaimed Empress of India.

So your chap could have been  there with the army- as has been suggested, or with the East India Co or later with the Indian Civil Service which was the British rule in India.

The National Archives may have something about  him, or there is a site within the Britsih Library that pertains to India- I hope that is correct as it's ages since I checked out that site.

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Re: Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 December 09 07:51 GMT (UK) »
is this your henry
sylvia



Victoria Police Gazette 1892Factories and shops act, acting certifying medical practitioner, ..... Mottlee,. Henry, embezzlement,. 107. Miiller, William, false pretences, ...
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Re: Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 December 09 08:04 GMT (UK) »
Have you seen the incredible story of how he found out about his wife's inheritance from the estate of a Mr Hawkins who had died in 1791 ?

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12717513?searchTerm=%22henry+mottlee%22


The Pall Mall Gazette of 5 June 1891 carries a fuller version of the story (from the Ballarat Star) in a column headed "Our Kith and Kin" and says that he left London "17 years ago", went to India, and then went from India to Australia.
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Re: Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 December 09 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi All- yes thanks for the info on the inheritance adverts.
This was the first confirmation I had that the family stories might be true about time in India, and then I found the town clerk papers in Sydney.

The newspapers report Henry left London 17 years ago and went to India and then on to Australia. This doesnt seem to be true as he married in London, and had several children in and around there, and none that I know of born Overseas. Also i have them on a ship that sailed directly from Southma[pton to Australia, only months after a child of theirs died on the Isle of Wight.

I have tried FIBS with no luck.

also no idea if he ever claimed the inheritance, and of course still no confirmation about India....

Anywhere else I can look or any other ideas/suggestions??!!
Kylie B
PS MAidmarion- your quote mentioned acting certifying medical practitioner- was this for Henry as I can only find him listed do with some embezzlement case..which is interesting in itself!

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Re: Henry MOttlee working in India- how do I find him?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 December 09 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Why not search The London Gazette?

Don't know the url but google for the Gazette-

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