CRAVEN of Newport/Goole/Hull/Wakefield (Mariner) - Lookups Please

[peter whillis]

I am not too familiar (yet) of my ancestors but ido know that myCraven family sailed on the Albina,Elizabeth and the Grovehill Ihave photos of the last two. Peter

[bendywendy]

Hi stanfisher and peter whillis

Wow what a catch you two are.

Goole library have lots of photographs without names that requires someone in the family to look at them and to see if any can be named. So can either of you get to Goole library

The library is still on with collating info for Craven, along with me doing what I can too.

Any information either of you have that you would like to submit to the library archives would be wonderful. This Craven archive will remain at Goole library and be shunted off to Beverley.

It was some Craven rellie from Hull that donated all the documents, letters and photographs etc to the library of which they are still putting it all into some sort of order and awaiting me to do my research too and then that hopefully will be cross referenced with what they have to try and establish timelines for the various families.

Peter the library would be most interested in the photos of the he vessels too.

Let me know how I can be of assistance to you both, I am visiting the library tomorrow so will have a word with Peter who looks after this.

bendywendy

[boothferryboy]

Am really delighted to have found this conversation about the Craven's....I am doing a family history for my wife, whose great grandmother was Martha Knox (nee Craven) younger sister of Joe W Craven.  We are hoping to come to Goole this summer and visit the museum as some of the family captured on the old nautical photos with John Craven seem to be familiar....  I would very much like to know where Joe W Craven died and was buried.   Any help much appreciated: I am also intrigued to know how the Craven's from Newport etc. connected with the numerous Craven's that were in Hull.   Thanks boothferryboy   

[chempat]

Welcome to rootschat, boothferry boy.

I thought someone from the original postings might have answered your query by now.

So, could you confirm the year of birth of Joe W Craven, and whether he was always known as Joe, or did he use John?
In addition have you found him in 1911, and looked for possible deaths on any indexes?

If he was the John W born in 1868 and lived in Goole, there is this death:

Deaths December quarter 1912   John W Craven age 44 Goole  9c  985

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Added:
Am I thinking of the wrong 'Joe W Craven'?

Marriage of his sister?
Marriage September 1879 in Hull
Martha Craven and Alfred William Knox on same page

and John William Craven looks like the one born about 1855 in Wakefield?

Unmarried in 1881 and down in Devon?

Picture in a tree on ancestry (that does not have his death or further information) - is it your tree?

[chempat]

Joe William Craven baptised 12th August 1855, in Wakefield, born 15th July 1855.

So this birth (just for reference)
Births September quarter  1855   Joe William Craven    Wakefield   

Marries in Goole to Frances Mason in 1882?

Death a year out in Sculcoates in 1923?

He is in a different tree on Ancestry- including baptism and death as mentioned.

[chempat]

He is never shown with his wife in the censuses, but the tree has her in Goole with children.

I was assuming it is not your tree, as the death certificate would show where he died, to try to chase up possible cemeteries.

[chempat]

Frances Craven in 1901 census has 2 children and her parents living with her in Goole.

She is living in Weatherill Street (which is where my grandparents lived in the early 1950's).  Have a look on Googlemaps.

Could this be her death?

Deaths June quarter  1954    Frances Craven age 92    Goole  2b  505

[bendywendy]

Hello Boothferryboy and chempat
Sorry for the delay in replying but I have been in the midst of a family funeral.
I will look at this later today and come back to you after I have got the Craven info out, I have tracked some of them but not all as they can be elusive.
bendywendy

[bendywendy]

I have Joe William Craven was birth reg September Q 1855 @ Wakefield.
He was baptised @ All Saints, Wakefield 12 August 1855 and his DOB noted as 15 July 1855 his parents noted as John Craven and Martha Craven.

I have him tracked on census's 1881/91 & 1901/11
He became the Master of the vessel Grovehill, of which information is held at Goole Museum Library

He and his wife Frances Mason married Mar Q 1882 and reg Goole, they had the following children:
1. Joe William Craven  3 Feb 1883 Goole  Reg Goole Mar Q 1883
2. Lily Craven            16 Sep 1888 Goole  Reg Goole Sep 1888
3. George Riggoll Mason Craven  30 Mar 1890  Reg Goole
4. Joseph Craven       19 July  1893 Reg Goole Sep 1893
5. George Craven      19 July 1893 Reg Goole Sep 1893
6. John William Craven  Reg Leeds Mar 1892

Deaths:
1. Joe William 0 yrs Goole Dec Q 1883
3. George Riggall M Craven 0 yrs Goole 1890
4. Joseph Craven 0 yrs Goole 1893
5. George Craven 0 yrs Goole 1893

There was a 7th child born and died but as yet I haven't been able to trace this one for birth and death.
Only 2 children survived to adulthood, Lily Craven and John William Craven died WW1
I have a theory about these children's deaths, of which I will PM Boothferryboy privately, but you need to make 2 more messages on this thread for me to do this.

His death is recorded as Dec Q 1923 Sculcoates, E. Yorkshire aged 69 years making him c1854
His probate is recorded at Kingston upon Hull 3 Jan 1924 death date 23 Oct 1923. He was residing at 10 Washington Street, Kingston upon Hull and left effects to his widow Frances Craven of £438. 11s.
As for his burial this has not been located, I will contact the library again and ask them if they have located it as yet as I haven't had time to visit the Hull History Centre to look up the burials register.

All the Craven info came from the Craven family in Hull and they donated to Goole Museum Library.

The connection of the Newport, Hull, Goole, Wakefield Craven's are all from the original family of Craven, I will have to look further back for this info and let you know how far back I researched them.

bendywendy