BIRTH of James Murray

[Trish12]

Hi to All,  Would like to find birth date of James Murray.  The only inform. I have about him is  he married Rachel Elliot c1876 Wilton and had a family I believe ,am I in luck.   Cheers  Trish 

[CaroleW]

The only inform. I have about him is  he married Rachel Elliot c1876

I suspect he either married before 1876 or Rachel was a second wife

1881 census for 2 Victoria Rd Wilton Roxburgh - children b Wilton

James Murray 42 Public Washing House Keepers Assist b Castleton
Rachel 42 bHawick
Thomas  16
Mary  14
Wilton ED 7 Page  26 Line 15

Rachel was in service in Wilton in 1871 at 18 Wilton Crescent

[CaroleW]

I can't find James and children in 1871 at the moment but found this family at 11 Wilton Crescent and children are the right profile.  All b Wilton except "Agnes"

Agnes Murta 35 b Castleton (must be a mistranscription of the christian name as the second Agnes is shown as his wife) occ cropper
Agnes   35 wife
Thomas   6
Mary   4
Wilton ED 2 Page  30 Line 7

The images are available to view on Scotlands People which is a paysite and I wonder if surname should be Murray

[CaroleW]

From the IGI at www.familysearch.org

THOMAS WHITE MURRAY  Birth:  20 JUN 1864   Wilton, Roxburgh   
Father:  JAMES MURRAY    Mother:  AGNES WHITE 

MARY MURRAY  Birth:  16 AUG 1866   Wilton, Roxburgh   
Father:  JAMES MURRAY    Mother:  AGNES WHITE 

JAMES MURRAY   Spouse:  AGNES WHITE     Marriage:  22 JUL 1859   Hawick

A copy of either of his marriage certs will give you his parents names and mothers maiden name which may help find more details about him

[CaroleW]

1861 census for Hawick

James Murray 25 b New Castleton - finisher of tweeds
Agnes   25 b Wilton
James  9 Months b Hawick
Hawick ED 13 Page  5 Line 18

The 1851 has 2 possible entries for him - one b 1836  and the other 1837 - both b Castleton

One was living in Castleton with parents John & Anne and the other was living in Hawick with parents James & Elizabeth

Without his marriage cert it would be impossible to determine the correct parents

[Trish12]

Hi Carole [never seen an e in Carole before ].  Thanks for the precious work you have done for me. and you were so quick.  I have printed  the inform. out and will study it properly tonight as I must run now  Time here is 10:46am Western. Austraila..  Cheers,  Trish    Barney looked to be a great friend.

[ScottishAncestry]

Hello,
 
I would still recommend looking at the marriage certificate, but can tell you that the James Murray, b. 1835 Castleton, son of John Murray and Ann Jardine, died on 19 Sep 1908 at Newcastleton as a single man (ref: Death Cert 1908 784 31).
 
That leaves the other James Murray as your likely candidate, especially given the naming pattern.
 
See him on the 1861 Census here:
 
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=78913025
 
and with his parents James Murray and his wife Elizabeth Shiel in the 1851 census here:
 
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=78906095
 
and with his parents again in the 1841 census here:
 
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/41transcript.aspx?houseid=78902010
 
Elizabeth Shiel died on 9 Aug 1870 at Hope Park, Wilton, James Murray, son, of Wilton Crescent registered the death. She was the daughter of Robert Shiel, handloom weaver, and his wife Agnes m.s. Scoon (ref: Death Cert 1870 810 68).
 
Agnes Scoon appears on the 1841 census here:
 
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/41transcript.aspx?houseid=78413054
 
James Murray was born on 17 Sep 1805 at Castleton. He was the son of Walter Murray, hand loom weaver, and his wife Christian Douglas.
 
Hope this helps,

Emma

[Trish12]

Hi Emma,  Thanks for getting in touch.  I appreciate the inform. you sent.  I'm gradually putting the tree together and can see a new branch ready to go  that been Elizabeth Shiel etc.   I take it that the photo on the side is your grandparents or may be parents !!!! They look happy.  Cheers Trish ,     Have a nice Christams .

[classicgirl]

Hi,
Did your James Murray have a sister called Janet?
I have a Janet Murray b approx 1813 Wilton, Rox, who married John Burns. Her mothers name was Christina b1778 Yarrow, Selkirkshire. The family lived in the Wilton / Hawick area of Roxburgshire. Janet Murray would be my 4 x Gt Grandmother.

Happy Hunting

Carolyn