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Re: Turnell - Brewin Marriage, Wigston 1805
« Reply #18 on: Monday 28 January 19 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Wow - thank you David & Jomot - much appreciated.
I too had spotted Ruth as Ind and thought age might be wrongly transcribed as 35 on Ancestry.

That is all beginning to make sense ..... Joseph snr dies and therefore wife Ruth, eldest daughter Mary and Joseph jnr (plus possibly rest of family) continue in the hosier business through the 30's. But by 1840 the older children are married with families and moving on with their lives - Joseph jnr is a clerk in 1841C.
The youngest daughter Martha in 1840 at age 17 is working as a servant for her brother-in-law Frederick France and her sister second daughter Ruth France nee Turnell. Not sure what Frederick does but he and his family are encouraged to go away on remittance to NZ and thus emigrate in late 1840. Martha accompanies them to Wellington NZ arriving in the second year of the new colony aged 18.

Start of working day here. Will look at more fully later in day.
Many thanks again.
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WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer

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Re: Turnell - Brewin Marriage, Wigston 1805
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 30 January 19 01:30 GMT (UK) »
David and Jomot
Thank you again for your assistance which is appreciated.
I've ordered the will and it will interesting to read it.

I think Joseph is born before the date I had being abt 1780.
There is a marriage in 1793 of a Joseph Turnell to Jane Bent.
On IGI there is a christening of their daughter Mary Turnill in 1802. While no other births come up that leads to a family tree providing children:
- William Turnall 1795-1796
- Mary Turnall 1797 deceased
- Anne Turnall 1798 deceased
- Mary Turnall 1802 - 1804
+ showing Mary Turnill.
In the Blaby Leicester burial records Jane dies in 1804. Joseph and Ruth get married in 1805. There first child born 1806  Blaby is called Mary and dies. The next child is also Mary and survives.

If Joseph marries in 1793 then he is likely to be born 1775 or earlier. Will have to scan the Blaby registers.  Fathers name could be William based on first son...
The search continues.
Thank you again.
Warwick
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WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer

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Re: Turnell - Brewin Marriage, Wigston 1805
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 30 January 19 13:04 GMT (UK) »
The signatures on the two marriages are similar but I can't find a baptism that fits.

Mary Turnell married Francis Bent in 1798 but I can't find a baptism for her either.

Ann Turnhill, possibly a variation, married William Normanton in 1790, but no baptism.

One witness to Ruth's marriage was Rebeca Turnell but not other records of her.

David


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Re: Turnell - Brewin Marriage, Wigston 1805
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 30 January 19 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Apologies that this doesn't really add anything helpful, but for info anyway:

Marriage 17 Dec 1815 St Nicholas, Leics, Edward Turnel & Mary North
Baptism 2 Sep 1817, Sapcote, John s/o Edward & Mary Turnell, FWK, Blaby, House of Ind
Burial 2 Sep 1817, Sapcote, Mary Turnell of Blaby, wife of Edw, aged 22
Burial 19 Feb 1818, Blaby, John Turnell s/o Edward of Leicester aged 6m

Apprentice Indenture
1804 - Joseph Turnel (Master), John Tomkins (Apprentice), Thomas Tomkins (Parent)
Parishes mentioned are Blaby, Lubenham and (for the father only) Kettering, Northants.

1809 - Joseph Turnell (Master), Jonathan Stevenson aged 13 (Apprentice)
Parishes mentioned are Hallaton & Leicester St Mary
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Turnell - Brewin Marriage, Wigston 1805
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 30 January 19 16:39 GMT (UK) »
A couple more in Blaby:-

1802-3 Josh Turnell, master, Framework knitter - apprentice James Cooper

1804-5 Josh Tunnill, master, Framework knitter - apprentice Samuel Gent

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Re: Turnell - Brewin Marriage, Wigston 1805
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 30 January 19 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both again. All snippets of information are helpful and add to the picture.
The apprentice records are interesting - particularly the reference to Hallaton if that is for Joseph.
Work day starting and busy after that so will have to park any followup until later.

As an aside this current research has arisen from a desire to understand the situation of Martha Turnell, (my 2gg mother) youngest daughter of Joseph, who two weeks after turning 18 accompanied her sister Ruth France nee Turnell to emigrate to NZ in 1840, arriving in Wellington early 1841, (first settlers arrived 1840). It was not an easy existence. She married in 1847 another immigrant William Gilbert Ford Moody, (father Rev Peter Moody of Marylebone Church, London), had seven children by him, her husbands store was bankrupted, they leased a farm, but she was tragically drowned when the river flooded the farm in 1860. The children were aged 13mths to 12yrs and their father had to adopt them out.
A developer is presently undertaking a housing development in the location of the farm and I have the opportunity to perhaps get the new street named after her hence writing her biography.
 
Thank you again - much appreciated.

Cheers
Warwick
CUL:Armstrong,Barron,Bell,Coulson,Cousin,Cowper,Dryden,  Edmondson,Hodgson,Irving,Johnston,Lowthian,McIntyre,Moor, Rutter,Scot,Watson,Dobley,Harrison
WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer