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Re: CRIMEA - 8th HUSSARS - Enl/Disch dates
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 03 January 10 07:03 GMT (UK) »
Ken, thanks for that.

Can you please confirm that service-number in your last msg (as: 436)? If that’s so, then we have yet another disparity.

Hmmm. The Boys Archive has:

Surname   Rank   Forename   Regtl No   Regiment
Dalton   Pte   Charles   1136   8th H
Dalton   Pte   Wilmall, Winnal,
William   1467   8th H

However, searching further through this archive shows Regimental Service Number 1467 as also being:
Leitch   Cpl   William   1467   4th LD
Proctor   Pte   John   1467   11th H


Note the same sort of duplication exists in another list:

Names of Officers and Troopers who took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade 25th October 1854.

Page   Surname   Initial   Rank   No.   Reg’t   Status in the Charge   Died
88   Dalton   C   Pte   1136   8 th H   Rode   05/02/1891
308   Ling   R   Pte   1136   17th L   Killed   25/10/1854
112   Morris   G   Pte   1136   8th H   Killed   25/10/1854

Note the three identical Service Numbers – two from the 8th. . . I’m presuming the service-numbering system then was a “per regiment” sequential system – but that still doesn’t account for the same 1136/1436 discrepancy; mind you, I’m of the opinion that this is likely to be a simple transcription error, or poor handwriting style that caused the “4” to be taken as a “1”.

The Balaclava Society’s Lists have:
Dalton    H    Pte   (1877)   Dalton    Charles   1436   (1879)
Nothing/no one for 1136.
No other 1436.
Proctor   J    Pte   (1877)   Proctor   John   1467   1879


Just for interest, I’m lunching with another Dalton GGrandson and GGGrandson this coming Thursday. Both of them have lately found an interest in Old Charles, or OC as we’ve dubbed him, and mine and Mike’s extant research product will have saved them a huge amount of time trawling the various websites and other repositories. Thanks to you and Annie, too.
   During the following week, other GGrandchildren and myself will meet in Sydney where the proposition of holding a full get-together of OC’s descendants (in March 2011) for the 150th anniversary of his and his later to be wife Jessie’s arrival in Australia will be broached. If that gets up I shall keep this site apprised.

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GGF: Charles DALTON - Crimea; COLB survivor - 8th Hussars
Paternal GF - Real Name Unknown - Arr A/a 1877 as WALKER T thereafter used Thomas Walker NEVILLE.

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Re: CRIMEA - 8th HUSSARS - Enl/Disch dates
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 03 January 10 10:43 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I haven't read all your last post. But, yes, the Indian Mutiny Medal Roll 1857-1859 (British Forces), compiled by K J Asplin, 1998. gives his number as 436.

Each cavalry regiment had their own sequence, so you can forget about Ling. Given the duplication with Morris I would tend to believe Asplin. But he would have taken that from the microfilm medal rolls, which will not be in the best condition. However, the only definitive data is in the muster books. These were compiled monthly, at the time, so must be accurate.

Ken

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« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 02:46 GMT (UK) »


I hope you've been in touch with Lawrence Crider ... if anybody knows anything about "The Charge" ... he does !!  :D

He maybe able to answer most if not all of your questions !

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Re: CRIMEA - 8th HUSSARS - Enl/Disch dates
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 04:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Annie,

. . . Not directly, but have just joined and posted on GenForum - to which he seems to post quite a bit. Do you think I should try to contact him some other way?

It is very pleasing to see how readily other researchers help out on this site. I'm really impressed and grateful.

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GGF: Charles DALTON - Crimea; COLB survivor - 8th Hussars
Paternal GF - Real Name Unknown - Arr A/a 1877 as WALKER T thereafter used Thomas Walker NEVILLE.


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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 04:18 GMT (UK) »


Hi Dalton !

He has been very helpful here too .... I love the way he shares his knowledge ....

Hang tight ... I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he comes up with some answers for you !  :) :)

Annie  :)
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Re: CRIMEA - 8th HUSSARS - Enl/Disch dates
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 04:28 GMT (UK) »
That'd be marvelous; the one thing that is a worry in our research of Charles Dalton is this disparity in the date of arrival in A/a and the later date of discharge. The most logical answer - apart from identity fraud - is a military attachment/secondment.

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Paternal GF - Real Name Unknown - Arr A/a 1877 as WALKER T thereafter used Thomas Walker NEVILLE.

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Re: CRIMEA - 8th HUSSARS - Enl/Disch dates
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 17 January 10 12:47 GMT (UK) »
To save double posting, to see Charles's medals go to:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=427411.new

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GGF: Charles DALTON - Crimea; COLB survivor - 8th Hussars
Paternal GF - Real Name Unknown - Arr A/a 1877 as WALKER T thereafter used Thomas Walker NEVILLE.

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Re: CRIMEA - 8th HUSSARS - Enl/Disch dates
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 22:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi mate I am an ex serviceman and served in The Queens Royal Irish Hussars the Regt. were formed in 1958 with the amalgamation of 4th. Queens Own Hussars and 8th. Kings Royal Irish here is the address and phone number and e-mail address of the regimental museum in Eastbourne they may well be able to help you out, I cannot lay my hands on the address for our HHQ just at this moment but I will try to get it for you, the men of "The Six Hundred" are still celebrated by the Regt. to this day and rightly so, as they say "Once a Hussar always a Hussar"Good luck with your search. Tam Walker.....Pristinae Virtutis Memores. Q.R.I.H. Museum, The Redoubt Fortress,Royal Parade, Eastbourne. BN22 7AQ..........eastbournemuseums@breatemail.net....Tel. 01323410300

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Re: CRIMEA - 8th HUSSARS - Enl/Disch dates
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 27 January 10 02:38 GMT (UK) »
Thank you,

I'm off to Tasmania tomorrow for eleven days of fly-fishing in the Central Highlands; I'll follow up that contact when I return.

Brgds, DFN - ex RAAF 2Sqn (Canberra Bombers) VietNam 1970/71
GGF: Charles DALTON - Crimea; COLB survivor - 8th Hussars
Paternal GF - Real Name Unknown - Arr A/a 1877 as WALKER T thereafter used Thomas Walker NEVILLE.