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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 29 March 10 22:56 BST (UK) »
Yes please, Lydart - but only if it isn't too troublesome.

I finally found some additional information I had misplaced that should limit search for John Simpson.  He is listed in burial register for "Burials in the Parish of All Saints in the City in the County of Hereford in the year 1896" as being buried April 27th.

On the left hand margin is written the number "1071" and I don't know what this implies.  Perhaps a grave number?

Nick
McLellan - Inverness
Greer - Renfrewshire
Manson - Aberdeen & Orkney
Simpson - Hereford, Devon, etc.
Flett - Orkney
Chisholm - Scotland
Wishart - Orkney
Shand - Aberdeen
Pirie - Aberdeen

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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 30 March 10 08:42 BST (UK) »
OK ... will do !    The week after Easter !
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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 April 10 21:27 BST (UK) »
Tomorrow is the day ... lets hope I can find something for you !
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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 April 10 20:00 BST (UK) »
Well I finally got to the record office for you !!

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John Simpson died 23 April 1896 at Burghill Asylum, and
Sarah Ann Simpson (nee Clarke) died  24 August 1898 at Catherine Street in the All Saints district.
Family was living on Catherine St. in 1881 and 1891 censuses.

It was somewhat of a negative result, but more might be possible.

I firstly searching all the MI's for the All Saints graveyard; zilch !

Then I searched all the MI's for the public cemeteries covering families from All Saints District !   Zilch !

Then I widened my search to cover all the other public cemeteries in Hereford for Church of England useage.   I DIDN'T cover non conformists, Roman Catholics, etc.    I DID find two MI's for other Simpsons, but not for John or Sarah ... I will send you those details in a P.M. just in case they might be useful or relevant.   If you know they were RC or non-conformists, then I can search those another time.

I then asked about newspaper obits ... they are in the library, which wasn't where I was, so that'll have to wait for another day.

Finally I asked about asylum records, thinking they might turn up something about John ... but although they DO have those at the RO, you have to apply in writing for a researcher to extract information for you (i.e. one of the RO staff does it) ... even though its over the 100 year period for secrecy of records, and even though the person concerned is no-one to do with me, and indeed, I myself have no rellies in or near Hereford.

So I'll also PM you the address you have to write to in case you want to see any info from the asylum record.

I'll go to the library for you when I'm next in Hereford with time to research, but it probably wont be for a month.   The staff at the RO were very helpful, and did suggest that if the man was C of E, and was from an asylum, and didn't appear to have a headstone, its quite possible he was a pauper and was buried in a paupers unmarked grave ...
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Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 15 April 10 12:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for your efforts Lydart.  Did view your PM.

I am sure they were CofE based on their daughter's marriage (my great grannie) and censuses, etc.  John was a Royal Marines pensioner (retired as Sergeant) so likely not a pauper.

The children were pretty well dispersed around England and the world by mid-1890s, so possibly there were no obits done.

Thanks again,

Nick

McLellan - Inverness
Greer - Renfrewshire
Manson - Aberdeen & Orkney
Simpson - Hereford, Devon, etc.
Flett - Orkney
Chisholm - Scotland
Wishart - Orkney
Shand - Aberdeen
Pirie - Aberdeen

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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 15 April 10 20:46 BST (UK) »
You are welcome !

I'll go to the newspapers archive in the main library next time I'm in Hereford.

Were the two Simpsons I did find MI's for any possible connections ?

I suppose to have an MI you have to have a headstone, and that implies some money in the family ...

Will you try and get a look (by proxy !) at the Burghill asylum records, which they DO have in the RO ??
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 17 April 10 03:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Lydart,

Haven't been on much the last few days, and my last message was at 4 am local time...

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Were the two Simpsons I did find MI's for any possible connections ?

Unfortunately, no.  The only dau I have traced besides my grt gma is Jessie, who married a Kilby.  Ellen b. ca 1865, and Harriett b ca 1874 I have not found much on.  The 2 sons were John and Charles and I have good info for them.

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Burghill asylum records

I was told that a search was done for these (after I had obtained John's death cert) and that they couldn't find them.  This was the non-result I was billed for mentioned early on.

Regards,

Nick



McLellan - Inverness
Greer - Renfrewshire
Manson - Aberdeen & Orkney
Simpson - Hereford, Devon, etc.
Flett - Orkney
Chisholm - Scotland
Wishart - Orkney
Shand - Aberdeen
Pirie - Aberdeen

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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 17 April 10 09:32 BST (UK) »
They assurred me that they definitely had the Burghill asylum records at the record office ... but of course, there may be no mention of him in them ...
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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Re: Access to Hereford Times for late 1890s obits?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 20 May 10 02:29 BST (UK) »
I was a pupil at Burghill Secondary school and we went to St.Mary's at Christmas and have to say what an aweful place it was. I was only 10 in 1991 but the first thing that hit me was the smell was rancid. I wouldnt of wanted to be there inthe 1890's your poor relative must have had a terrible time as we used to hear stories about the going on at they wern't plesant.

A friend I mine I went to school with, his garden shed was the old mortuary for the hospital. If you go on google street map you can see it.

Anyway thought i'd share that even if it isn't helpful.