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WW1 records confusion..
« on: Wednesday 13 January 10 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately, my mother does not know much about her history, she originally gave me her mothers maiden name incorrectly, however, that being resolved, she mentioned seeing a picture on her mothers wall when she was very young. The picture showed a young chap in naval attire, and when prompted by my mother as to who it was, she was told that it was my grandmothers brother William who drowned at sea. I know no more than that.
I searched out the WW1 death index and found a William John Stainer of the Royal Engineers. ranked as a sapper, Number 508484. He sadly died in 1917 Vol E2 Page 42. The name fits exactly, but...
It seems inconceivable that a member of the R.E. would be dressed in naval garb for a picture, but, another  further record reveals a William G. Stainer being in the Royal Navy as a paymaster, but dying in the explosion that destroyed the H.M.S. Bulwark, November 1914 on the River Medway.
If either record relates to my grandmothers brother, where do I go now to confirm, or, if it is a civilian drowning, out of wartime, where would that record be found ????

Sorry it is a bit garbled, but there isn't an easier way to explain it all  :-[
Seward (Linc'shire) (W. London)
Stainer  (Dorset)
Harker  (Cumbria)

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Re: WW1 records confusion..
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 16:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

According to the details on the CWGC site:

 WG Stainer was 33 and the son of William and AE Stainer of 22 Twyford Ave, West Acton, London.


 Do those details match for your grandmother's parents?



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Re: WW1 records confusion..
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 16:43 GMT (UK) »
Swipe me, that was deuced pronto, amazingly so..
   Sad to say, it doesn't fit at all, but, the elimination process is bitter sweet really, in light of the tragedy that took place. Apparently, the second largest  manmade explosion at the time.
Thank you for your endevours though, it is much appreciated. I did try the CWGC site, and it froze up my computer..probably me though, if the truth ever gets out.. :-[
Thanks again.
reg
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Re: WW1 records confusion..
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Searching the web for data and I find the William John Stainer I am looking for, came from Shaftesbury, Dorset, and was born 1880..
reg
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Re: WW1 records confusion..
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 16:48 GMT (UK) »
That's funny I was just about to ask exactly that  ;D
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 16:54 GMT (UK) »
I seem able to emit confusion any time I like these days   ::)

So many headings, so many bits of paper, so many must do's, I forget my name most of the time, but, great minds think alike it would seem..
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Re: WW1 records confusion..
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 22:44 GMT (UK) »
There's a William G Stainer on 1911 census as being in the Navy aboard the "Victoria & Albert" serving as an assistant paymaster, born 1882 at Kent Gillingham, aged 29 & single

looked through 1913 - 1917 death records & only match that seems slightly close is a William Stainer aged 31 in the district of Hendon Jan-Mar 1913, 3a, 427

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 23:03 GMT (UK) »
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7400126&queryType=1&resultcount=5

Theres this lad??  names marry up RN Service record.?...But id go with the post below which ive just modified ;)

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 23:10 GMT (UK) »
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1913subs.htm

What about this lad Richard WG Stainer lost at sea 1909 in Submarine C11 ??

 Richard William George Stainer.may have been known as William??

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=6991685&queryType=1&resultcount=30

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Researching all Great War soldiers from the Spen Valley of West Yorkshire Especially lads from the Cleckheaton Company of 1/4th West Riding Regiment.