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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #18 on: Monday 18 January 10 21:24 GMT (UK) »
http://www.gdc.govt.nz/cemetery-record-search/
Makaraka Cemetery Gisborne
BURIAL 8 May 1882: James NASH age 58 (born abt 1824) - MKOLD - Plot 36
BURIAL 14 Jan 1882 : Albert Stuart NASH age 2 (born abt 1880) - MKOLD - Plot 36

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #19 on: Monday 18 January 10 22:24 GMT (UK) »
NZ  DEATH 1882 : Albert Stuart NASH  - parents: William James & Rhoda
Most likely the one in Makaraka Cemetery age 2 same plot as James NASH who died same year.

Papers Past - Gisborne bankruptcy - Dec 1882
William James NASH, a Painter

NASH births NZ with parents: William James & Rhoda
1875 - Florence Emma
1880 - Albert Stuart
1882 - Arthur Wadkins
1884 - Ethel Blanche
1887 - Richard Lionel
1889 - Helen Beatrice

NZ DEATHS
1912 - William James NASH - age 64 (born abt 1848)
1899 - Rhoda NASH age 50 (born abt 1849)
1875 - Rhoda NASH age 2 (b abt 1873) - can't find a birth reg for her?

This looks like William James NASH is another sibling of 'our' Richard George NASH?

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #20 on: Monday 18 January 10 22:41 GMT (UK) »
FreeBMD:
MARRIAGE: William James NASH and Rhoda WADKINS
Edmonton - Dec Qtr 1870

BIRTH: Rhoda NASH
Edmonton - Mar Qtr 1874

Edmonton spans the boundaries of the counties of Essex, Hertfordshire and Middlesex

To find them in the 1871 Census......

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #21 on: Monday 18 January 10 22:55 GMT (UK) »
I think this is them - and all considered, I'm not entirely surprised at his place of birth

1871: Village of Whetstone, Finchley, Middlesex
RG10 /  Piece: 1334 /  Folio: 45 /  Page: 31
Head: John E. ELLIS 23, Watchmaker, b Rochester, Kent
Wife: Emily M. G. ELLIS 27, b India British Subject
Dau: Ella E. ELLIS 4, Scholar, b Marylebone Mdx
Son; William E. ELLIS 2, b Spitalfields Mdx
Dau: Annie ELLIS 8 mths, b Whetstone Mdx
Mother: Maria E. ELLIS 62, widow, b mapperton Dorset
Lodger:  James NASH 23, married, Painter & Grainer, b Ireland
Lodger's Wife: Rhoda NASH 21, married, b Southgate, Middlesex


Earlier Census 1861 show a Rhoda WADKINS b abt 1848 Southgate., living in Edmondton, Mdx with her parents.

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #22 on: Monday 18 January 10 23:54 GMT (UK) »
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=DSC18740801.2.3.1&e=-------10--1----2-all
Married Couple: W. J. and Rhoda NASH and two children, arrived in NZ on Thursday 23 July 1874 on the MILTRADES. The Ship had left Gravesend at 11pm on  May 2 with 470 immigrants.

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 00:34 GMT (UK) »
Ambly-
Just great! But I'm trying to get my head around all this.
Some names make crystal clear sense, others are a mystery.
I am struggling to see how the James Nash, married to the Rhoda relates to my guys. That James Nash appears to have been born abt 1848. Mine, James, the father of Richard etc, was born abt 1828. I'm not disputing that they may have been othrwise related though.
The South African connection makes perfect sense: Family scuttlebut has it (and repeated in his Invercargill obituary) that Richard Nash spent several years in SA, returned to England and then came to NZ in 1872. I couldn't conceptualise how he did all that and arrived in NZ at age 20 or or so. Maybe he went as a family (with Father James) to SA as a youth.
When it says 'painters', they were artists - all of them, for some strange reason. They also had the artists propensity for going bankrupt and repaid creditors through 'ordinary' decorating.
I've got more questions, if that's okay as soon as I digest what you've laid out before me.
Thanks very much
Ed Eyre
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
                                     (Crimea,India,New Zealand)

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 00:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed

I think William James NASH, who married Rhoda - is another son of James Snr and Jane/June DUFF(Y). And followed his father  James Snr, and siblings Richard, Charles and Albert out to NZ

The information about Charles Lionel NASH kind of ties it all together.

Fire away when you have questions - happy to help if I can find anything more.

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 01:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed

I think William James NASH, who married Rhoda - is another son of James Snr and Jane/June DUFF(Y). And followed his father  James Snr, and siblings Richard, Charles and Albert out to NZ

The information about Charles Lionel NASH kind of ties it all together.

Fire away when you have questions - happy to help if I can find anything more.

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AMBLY


It's great work Ambly.
I certainly couldn't have done this myself.
I'll print it off and digest it under a tree - and then I may get back to you if I need any help.
Once again, thanks so much.
Ed
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
                                     (Crimea,India,New Zealand)

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Okay - I'm back inside now. It was getting a little lonely out there underneath the family tree.
Thanks to everyone who contributed their findings, above.
 More progress with my quest to find 'backstory' on ggf Richard Nash has been made in the past 24 hours than I would've imagined possible. Yawning gaps have been filled.
However, there are still  a couple of  issues that I would like to solve. And I can't think of anyone, right now, better equipped to tell me how to do that than you guys.

1. I still haven't nailed a birthplace and date for my primary target, Richard George NASH. I've been led to believe, by several sources (but they might all be extensions of the same 'Chinese Whisper') that the equation was Bristol, UK, 1852.
However, I have since modified that date to a range, 1852 - 1854.
Similarly, now that  I find the elder brother William James NASH is recorded as being born in IRELAND, I may have to broaden the scope for Richard's birthplace too. (That's a long way from Bristol, isn't it?)
(In this respect, as an aside to Ambly - I'm still not entirely sure what to make of your observation, - 'and all considered, I'm not entirely surprised at his place of birth'.)
I tell you what - it surprised me! (It is quite a way from Bristol, isn't it?)

2. Now, the matter of James Nash (snr's) wife, and mother of Richard Nash, nee June/Jane Duff/Duffy (Now, that does sound Irish!)
It would appear that she never reached NZ at all. How can I best explore her fate? I imagine she died some time between 1863 and 1873. How can I check this out?
I am truly very grateful to you guys - and where it looks like I'm kidding above, well, I am.

I'd be pleased to again hear your thoughts.
Best wishes
Ed Eyre


PS. I have just found this. It might explain why William James Nash was born in Ireland. (But I haven't tried to check the station of the King's Light Infantry at that time.) It may help, though, perhaps?
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
                                     (Crimea,India,New Zealand)

The trouble with the world is that it's the stupid who know all the answers.