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cannell/pearce
« on: Sunday 17 January 10 17:01 GMT (UK) »
hi i am having probs finding the cannell family of bradden.
ellen cannell married james pearce in bradden church 24 december 1843 she died in 1852 and her sister married ellens husband.  my g grandad  william is son of ellen and james.
i cant find out anything about this couple at all except the marriage. no parents or children
ive been looking for ages ages as in years. can anyone help.
thanks
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liverpool - fairway, stubbs, williams. flintshire wales - needham  williams. holland - fairway or dutch spelling of. whitehaven cumberland. pearce,  mcalone, richardson, miller. bolton le moor - miller / brocklebank /brockbank. isle of man - pearce, cannell.

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cannell-pearse
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 January 10 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Moderator comment - threads merged


for some reason can't reply directly
- marrying a dead wife's sister was not allowed under Manx (or English) law at that period so strictly the marriage was illegal (tho still valid) - might have been a non-conformist thus children might not be baptised - in 1851 census at 10 Heywoods lane (or more usual Heywood place) - a short street leading up from North Quay Douglas (houses demolished in 1895 slum clearance but street still survives) - he was a mariner - all children shown as born Douglas eldest Robert age 10 which would appera to be before marriage in 1843

Ellen is buried age 33 at Braddan 10 May 1852 - suspect childbirth problems as also a 10 week Ellen Pearce buried at Braddan 16 Jul 1852 - this would be Braddan new yard - see http://www.manxnotebook.com/parishes/bn/nbnyard.htm

(Ellen was bapt 11 MAY 1852   Saint George, Douglas which is somewhat surprising as St Matthews was only yards from their house and St Georges was seen as somewhat up market - there was a 3 year old ellen in the 51 census but think error for esther

In 1861 I think he is a fisherman in living at Gellings Court (very close to 1851 address - it is possibly the same - another one slum cleared in 1895) age 47 - he was born england in 1851 but I can't read birth place in 61 except Dxx in xxxx

Possibly Ellen was s/o Thos Cannell + Elizabeth Moore (?m Malew 18040421) - however very large family so possibly there are two thos cannells + elizth moores - it is possible that Elizth dead by 1841(there is a bur braddan 7 Jun 1827 elizth cannel als moore age 43) and Thos is living with last child John (others would be servants working etc) in a shared tenement at Big Well st (just round corner from Heywoods place) he an ag lab and son John a ropers app
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Re: cannell-pearse
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 January 10 12:28 GMT (UK) »
You need to go back to the original message and click on "report to moderator" tab and report it as a possible fault

Is this the post

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,279735.0.html

If so - when I accessed it there was a reply button
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Re: cannell-pearse
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 January 10 17:09 GMT (UK) »
Wrong   post.///////   Cannell/   Pearce   ----Pearse


Marriage  Register    Kirk  Braddan     no.   396   James   Pearse   Bachr. and   Ellen  Cannell  Spinster  of    this  Parish
were  married in  this  church  by  Licence  this  24th   Decr. 1843   by  me  Robt.  Brown  Vicar.  This  marriage  was
solemnized  between  us  James  Pearce  / Ellen  Pearce  late  Cannell   In   presence of   Sarah  Skelly  her X  /  Charles
Skelly   / James   Corran

Burial   777    Kirk   Braddan  / Ellen   Pearce  /  Douglas /  Age   33   /   May  10  1852    /   Vicar  Drury


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Re: cannell-pearse
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 January 10 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Marriage  register   Kirk  Braddan  no.  27//    April   23rd  1853   James  Pearce / full  age /  Widower/  Sailor/  Fancy
Street,  Douglas /  Father   Jas.  Pearce  Harbour  Master //   Ann   Cannell /  full  age /  Spinster / Fancy  Street,Douglas
Father   John  Cannell Sailor.   Witnesses  John  Skelly  /  James   Killey

[Ann   signed  with  a   X]   Fancy  Street  was   very  near  the  harbour &  the  name  still  exists  as  a   back  lane
behind  Ridgeway  Street ,one  of   the  main  streets  of  the  town  now.

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Re: cannell-pearse
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 January 10 19:02 GMT (UK) »
wittnesses to 1st marr waere probably Charles Skelly sailor + wife Sarah als quayle (recently married in aug 1840 she was dead in 1848 age 35) - in 1841 living in John st sharing a house (multiple tenancy with Wm Proctor + wife sarah cannell age 26 (bur Braddan 18411105 age 26) - next door but one was wm cannell sailor age 28
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Re: cannell/pearce
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 January 10 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi guys

Sorry - not sure why you couldn't find a reply button last night!

I've now merged the two relevant threads and removed the bits that just discussed the problem.

Thanks for helping and I hope the OP comes back to see the results.

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: cannell/pearce
« Reply #7 on: Monday 18 January 10 21:18 GMT (UK) »
thank you everybody re cannell pearce family.
can anyone give me an idea of who ellens parents were and is ann her sister.
liverpool - fairway, stubbs, williams. flintshire wales - needham  williams. holland - fairway or dutch spelling of. whitehaven cumberland. pearce,  mcalone, richardson, miller. bolton le moor - miller / brocklebank /brockbank. isle of man - pearce, cannell.

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Re: cannell/pearce
« Reply #8 on: Monday 18 January 10 21:26 GMT (UK) »
you stated they were sisters - I presumed on family information - I cannot find any Cannell family with an Ann (or Mary Ann) and an Ellinor of these ages

I made a suggestion for Ellin - the link via the witnesses to the marriage might be worth following up - a John Skally was a witness to second marriage

You state you have been researching this family for years - how much have you determined as the children are easily found in the census, the burial index (http://www.iomfhs.im  follow research gives the burials) - if you try
http://www.isle-of-man.com/cgi-bin/interests/genealogy/bulletin/index.pl?noframes and ask for a MI Donna who has all MI books will see if there is one for Ellen
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