LoneyBones Scavenger Hunt - Part 2...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[LoneyBones]

I think the surnames; ENNIS, INNIS, INNES are posabilities.  I'd even consider EMMS. 
Also; DAVIS, DAVIES.
And I think she was always partial to the BALFOUR,  so chuck it into the pot as well.
If that's not too much to ask, it should keep you out of mischief. 

[majm]

Hi there,

Co-respondent : William LARSON ... could be mistranscribed as Carson, Larsen, Larsson, etc and of course as Lawson 

Also there's those two wee babies buried at Hillend in late 1860's.... un-marked graves .... could explain some of that time gap too...

Cheers,

JM

[regross]

Just to alert you to an uncommon? occurence.

John and 16 yo Elizabeth Lawrence left Ireland for the Hunter River area in NSW in 1840. They had 9 children around the Scone area.The youngest was registered as illegitimite by his father John Lawrence.

It turns out that Elizabeth Lawrence had deserted her husband shortly after they arrived and run off with Robert Fitzgerald who she may have met rrior to leaving home, who promptly too the name John Robert Lawrence.

Two years later Robert John Lawrence married Elizabeth Laurence widow after her first husband had died. They continued to live as Lawrences's until their deaths.
(from Barbara Baynton by Penne Hackforth Jones [penne and I share common gggrandparents not of the above line])

There is guarantee that the JOHN ENNIS with Elizabeth in Sodwell's creek is her husband. Most likley but do not assume it as fact.

Emms is one of my brick walls  so I have looked at most of these at some time or another Ennis is also familiar territory with surname but the fellow is still missing!!! NO postitve death or burial after last known documentation in 1832.

Will keep looking.

ta JM

Robyn

[majm]

Umm,

Err,  short version of story on moi tree....  My John Ennis died in Sydney 1842.  He left his estate to his young grandchildren, but they were all surnamed BROWN  .......... John Ennis' daughter (b Sydney 1809, d Sydney 1840) had married a John Brown, widower in 1828, (Groom was widowered in June 1827, weeks after youngest child born on the voyage, Plymouth to Sydney).  That 1827 baby .......err ......... she was raised as though a grandchild for John Ennis, and she was a major beneficiary in John Ennis' estate  , so Moi "ENNIS" line ceases in 1842... 

Of course its possible that the father of Elizabeth's two youngest girls was not the same father as the older children, but .... the birth registration for Matilda Alice in 1873 just has to be for Leonie's Elizabeth (online it shows the mother's given names as Elizabeth Annie B).  NSW Birth Certificates are meant to show the date and place of the parents' marriage.   but these were rural births, so I'm not convinced all the details would be on the NSW BDM Reg. Gen's ledgers 

Ummmm,  LB, do you have Matilda's birth certificate, and if so, does it show date and place for parents' marriage, does that match with your NZ records etc etc and etc...    Does it show "previous issue"   


Cheers,  JM

[LoneyBones]

John's name is on birth certs for Emily Louise and Martha Alice born June 1873.Also at this time their eldest daughter Constance/Constantia was on the verge of marriage, October 1873.  But as you say, never assume.  
Also a photograph, a copy of which has been in the family ever since, was taken of Elizabeth & John in 1873-ish. Not positively dated, but 99% sure was taken 1873, before the birth of Martha Alice.
I didn't post that photo, but I can if you like. In fact I will, because then I can get opinions, is Elizabeth pregnant? If so then it was taken in 1873. Also another photograph discovered of Constance entitled Miss Ennis, so before she married. I won't post that one. Not relevent I think.

[LoneyBones]

Oh dear, sorry JM, yes I do. Didn't I mention that?   
Both certs, for Emily Louise and Martha Alice, have John Ennis as father and marriage 1851, Auckland.

 Added;  3 males and 3 females living.
We'll get syncronised in a minute.   

[majm]

Umm,

Similar dress to photo with Emily Louise !  Does she look pregnant in the photo with Emily Louise?  I can't tell as she's seated with the baby on her lap.  What month in 1871 was Emily Louise born?  Matilda Alice born June 1873 ... ... Re this photo with both John and Elizabeth, could it have been taken late 1872-early 1873 ... ie before her waist would "thicken"... or are there perhaps several "hoops" in her skirt hiding the future Matilda...

Perhaps the photo/deciphering experts at RChat may be able to help  

Ta, LB, you probably did mention the info about the father's name and marriage info, but I had not checked back through the old thread 

Err.... do you have photos of family gathered for that Oct 1873 wedding for Constantia?  If so, err.... what dress was Elizabeth wearing    ( I'm a sticky beak, sorry  just ignore the question, its not really relevant)

Cheers,

JM

[LoneyBones]

It's exactly the same dress.  She has added the lace jabot for the standing photo.
All the photos were taken the same day, at the A & A photography studio at Hill End.
An original copy of this photo is in the possession of my inconsiderate, none sharing cousin. Not Cyril.
It's also in the Holterman Collection at the Mitchell Library, Sydney, along with the photo with child, Miss Ennis, Miss E.Ennis and a gadzillion other photos of Hill End families. Perported to have been taken by Henry Beaufoy Merlin, who by the way died in 1873. However, he did have others working with him and the studio went on without him.
No wedding photos that I'm aware of.       Wouldn't they be a gift.   

Added; just realised, it HAD to be 1873. Any earlier and she wouldn't have had a child that age...any later and Miss Ennis would have been Mrs Gardner.

[regross]

I have edding photo from 1885 and it looks just  like a formal photgraph. They wore their best dressses  not wedding gwons as we know today.

Robyn