6yrs trying! still trying to leap over to Ireland!

[alyson123]

I was pinning all my hopes on gaining a birth cert. from PRONI,. for my gt gt grandmother born 1869 Cty. Down.
Her name was Elizabeth Doran and her parents were John Doran and Mary nee.Savage.
I have her on census as having been born Dundrum, so paid for a search at PRONI, and although they looked a couple of years either side the search has drawn a blank
I am now wondering if maybe she was born Dundrum surrounds, but registered in another close parish? But which?
So dissapointed that I cannot move forward with this one, especially as I have all the correct names etc.
Dejected, frustrated hoping for divine intervention and inspiration!!!!
Regards
Alyson

[kebholes]

I assume you have been searching the index on the lds... if so it clear there is no birth of Elizabeth Doran. I tried E Doran as well with no luck and similar seaching for a reletive period.

As Elizabeth Clearly had Children... I assume she was married? you could try searching using their names. But the key point to check is where was she married as that is the likely district of birth.

I understand your frustration, but if you search Un - named doran, Ireland and say 3 years either way then there is a lot to work through and there is every chance she is their just waiting to be found... I take the data of all female births only and place into a spread sheet then quickly remove all reference to USA and in this case all deaths were shown as this reduces the list to only a handfull of possiblities.... with that run searches through ancestry and the like to see if anyone has these on their trees [although they could be wrong] to remove. Lastly if thier is a child with the same name i always order that one first as it has proved most rewarding!


Good Hunting, Mick

[aghadowey]

Seceral points to mention here. First of all, as you probably know, civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 and some early births didn't get registered but registration became compulsary in 1870. Therefore, perhaps your Elizabeth Doran was a bit older than you think or her birth just didn't get registered.
Next, civil index (link given below) covers all Ireland so if Elizabeth Doran's birth was registered it should be in the index no matter where the family live or registered her birth. Registrations are listed under registration districts (corresponds to Poor Law Union) not parishes.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=collectionDetails
There are some births (as well as deaths and marriages) which were mis-indexed, spelling of surname might be different or event simply left out of index. Perhaps child is registered as 'female' with no Christian name listed or even under another Christian name (parents have been known to change infant's name). Also, if parents weren't married then birth should be listed under mother's surname at the time of registration.

[alyson123]

Thanks for help..... I am not 'au-fait' with Irish records, so all help is
gratefully received.
Elizabeth moved to Whitehaven England with her mother and father John and Mary
sometime between birth and 1881 and is reliably on census from then on, always
stating birth County Down.
I have her marraige to Thomas Pyle in Whitehaven but have'nt got cert as yet because
I assume it will give birth - Cty Down again!......maybe I should go on the longshot!?!
Just had a look on your link aghadowey and there are about 6 possibilities accounting
for a year either side of 1869.
Is there any way I can get information of parentage without ordering all 6?
Not sure what to do now!!
Thanks
Alyson

[aghadowey]

IGI (International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org) has some, not all, Irish births 1864-c1882 and parents will be listed there. I couldn't see your Elizabeth Doran listed but you could check there to eliminate some of the entries you've found (sometimes the page number in index is included there which will help with matching). Hint: search for 'Elizabeth Doran' 'Ireland' born 1869 +/- 2 yrs but don't include the county since many of the entries will only give place as Ireland.
As far as I know English death certificates don't list birthplaces.

[RosemaryJoan]

I notice in Griffiths Valuation of Ireland that around 1864 there were lots of Dorans leasing property, but also two DORNANs.  In the Family Search Pilot there is an Elizabeth DORNAN born 1869 registered Belfast (Down or Antrim).  Do you think there might have been a variation in the spelling of her surname??  Another red herring?RosemaryJoan

[kooky]

Have you got John Doran and Mary Savage's marriage cert?
There will be addresses for both, and also a church.
These might be useful for a birth place for Elizabeth.
You can get the details you need from the website posted by Aghadowey.

I would obtain Elizabeth's marriage cert., even though it will not give her place of birth, it might give you an age for her!

Kooky

[alyson123]

Thanks aghadowey Rosemary and Kooky,
Have crossmatched births and baptisms but no page no's etc to do so relaiably! Could probably rule all out
not having page no's to cross reference.
Unfortunately I cannot find marraige either, plenty of John Doran marraiges  Cty. Down but no listing of Mary!
Frustratingly Elizabeth does have a brother.... John Doran b. 1867 Down but cannot find his birth / bapt.
Looking into misspelt Doran's for all concerned .
I wish I could look for other potential chidren of Doran /Savage but nothing seems to appear when I try, yet I
think there is a good chance of more siblings  for Elizabeth and John .
Also appealed to the powers above, but no luck there either!!!!!
Head in hands
Alyson

[kebholes]

John Doran birth 1867 Kilkeel Down Ireland v11 p600