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COMPLETED - What's going on with this surname?
« on: Sunday 07 February 10 23:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
My name is Graham Keeling, and I recently visited the Hampshire Records Office to find information about my great great great grandfather and his family.
I found his marriage certificate, and the baptism certificates of his children.

Only there seems to be something very odd going on with his surname.
In places, it looks like;
'Jacob (Calling say) JKeeling'.
In other places, it looks like 'SKeeling'.
In others, it looks like 'SKeeling', with the 'S' crossed out.
Finally, there is an entry that is just plain 'Keeling'.

I would be grateful if anybody could help explain this.

The first thing to show you is the marriage certificate.
It seems to me that the mess of writing in the bottom right could shed some light, as it appears to be trying to explain something important...

Jacob (?Calling say?) ?Keeling of this Parish Bachelor
and Emmy Smith of this Parish Spinster were
Married in this church by ? ? ? ? ?
this Fifteenth Day of September in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred
and Twelve     By me William Gordon Rector
  This Marriage was solemnized between Us ? ? ? ? ?some horrible mess? ? ? ? ? ? ?
in the Presence of ? ? ? ? ? ?




Looks like I'm not going to get much further with this, so I'm marking it COMPLETED. :)

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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 February 10 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Here is a slightly larger view of the bottom part of it.


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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 February 10 23:58 GMT (UK) »
Here is the baptism record for their son...
Jacob junior is definitely referred to as plain 'Jacob Keeling' for the rest of his life, throughout the censuses.



Edit: The forum appears to be squishing my pictures and making them look a bit blocky.
If you right-click and '.', you should get a better view.

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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 February 10 00:03 GMT (UK) »
Another baptism...



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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 February 10 00:06 GMT (UK) »
Another son...


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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 February 10 00:12 GMT (UK) »
And here are the final two, where it's almost down to a plain 'Keeling'. Only the 'K' looks very weird.



So, thanks to anybody who can give me a clue.
As I said, I think the key lies in the marriage certificate up the top.

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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 February 10 00:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Graham,

Got yourself a curly one here, haven't you!  ;D

Here's my take on the horrible mess on the first document (marriage cert)
Jacob + his mark (Calling say) Skeeling
Emmy + her mark Smith
S Wells?
Wm Alaster ? Howell

I agree that it does look like the words in brackets are "Calling say", and that the surname looks like "SKeeling"...very strange.  I wonder if the man himself pronounced his name "Calling" but the vicar or whoever made the records thought it should be spelt "Keeling"?  Is it the same parish and the same vicar all the way through?

Sorry, I don't have any real answers for you as to what this might all mean, but I hope someone else will be able to sort it out!

Cheers
Prue

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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 February 10 00:19 GMT (UK) »
I have no idea what is going on with the surname, but I hope I can clear up one bit.

Married in this Church by Banns


Part of the mess in the bottom right corner is the area for signature by bride and groom.
It would appear they were illiterate. Hence the funny squiggle with his above it and underneath mark, same for hers.

You may find that what is written in is what the other person thought they were saying.

Kirsty


edit: what Prue said :D
Galloway,   Landers,   Lindsay,  Gillespie,  Irvine
Erskine,   McAdam,  Hawthorn
Robertson,   Duncan,   Edmonstone,    Black
Anderson,  Nicholson,  Crombie,  MacDonald
Arch, Herbert, Charlesworth, Chapman

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Re: What's going on with this surname?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 February 10 00:24 GMT (UK) »
I think it is the same Rector throughout. His name appears again on at least one of the baptisms.