Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers #2

[Nennefer]

just found this on IGI

Marriage , submitted

JOSEPH HEDGES = Elizabeth COOPER  (another big Gypsy Family)
age of husband = 18
age of wife = 17
married  = 22 FEB 1851   Bocking, Essex

deb

Hi Deb This is the Joseph Hedges I have on my tree it could be one of these but haven't checked if the dates would work out. My brain won't do dates today. Hang on these that I have are both to late. So who is this one. He would be born about 1833. To late to be an addition to the 4 brothers.

Joseph HEDGES b 1874 son of Alfred HEDGES and Eliza LEVONS Marriage UNKNOWN
Joseph HEDGES b 1843 son of William HEDGES and Frances JENNINGS Marriage UNKNOWN

[jamajo]

 Deb cant find that Joseph in 1861 but have found these deaths for Joseph


Dec 1844 Joseph Hedges N Aylesford
Mar 1855 Joseph Hedges Medway

 Wonder if the 1855 one could be the one you found

  Sue

[bearkat]

Looks as if the HEDGES liked to get their children baptised when they came hopping/fruit picking in Kent - lots of September christenings.

Have you tried the HEDGES Rootsweb mailing list (especially this post)?

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/hedges-uk/2003-10/1067291441

or

The HEDGES Study - a database with over 62,400 entries.

www.hedges-study.org.uk/one_name_study.htm

[deb usa]

Hi Bearkat

Nice to see you

Thanks for all the links ....they are great.

Jen , Sue

Geez ..... I think the missing 1851 holds all the clues ....typical!

I am trying to figure out Joseph , chairbottomer in prison in 1841 (remember ages rounded up or down , can't remember which way  )

also who is Elizabeth in 1841 with son John living with Thomas and Eden?

deb

[James R. Yeowell]

Oh gosh, that link just confuses us even more!  Those Hedges are of Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire... places we've not really looked into yet!  And apparently they're of the travelling community as well.

This just gets harder with every new bit of information!  Perhaps if we start looking in Cambridgeshire, we could somehow make a link?

Of course, the link between all these families could be in the 18ths century or even earlier.  I have no history of the travelling community but don't just suppose they turned up in the middle of the 19th century, so when did all these families start to live like this?  It also seems many later brancehs settled down and became labourers or.

[Nennefer]

 I have the 3 brothers who were in prison in 1841 so do we have any other info on them at all?

 Do we know if they married? Also what have we got for Joseph and Elizabeth, marriage etc

 Thought id look into these as im stuck again

 Sorry for asking im just lost    Where is Deb when you need her

  Sue

All we know of Joseph is he is listed as 20 according to the 1841 census he would have been born in 1821
(which is the same year as Job HEDGES who he may be brother to.)
As for Elizabeth it is the same, we have an entry on the 1841 census where she is living with Thomas she is 30 so will be born 1811.
As Deb reminded me they rounded ages of all those of adult age. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) they rounded up/down to the nearest 10.
Having said that I am looking at the originals and It looks like they are rounding to the nearest 5 as they have entries of age 25 and 35 etc.
Blimey how are you supposed to work out how old they were. Why couldn't they just put their correct ages down. Grrrrrrrr.
I hate numbers, it's no wonder I get lost.

[James R. Yeowell]

I believe they round up for those over the age of 14.  So anyone aged less than 14, should in theory, have the correct age.

I've seen many ages recorded correctly on the 1841 census in my time though.  In fact, I've not come across rounded up entries as much as I thought I would.

The entry you speak of, however, does indeed look like it is rounded up in some way.  Very confusing!

[deb usa]

hi according to Bearkat's link we have this info;

Sarah Jane HEDGES (b 1854 Ware Herts) d/o Joseph HEDGES and Emily LINTON
married Joseph Crane Lane in 1871 , Romford

Joseph her dad was s/o WILLIAM HEDGES  (Joseph bc 1818 maybe Cambridge area)

Joseph Hedges and Emily Linton (married 1838) had : Mary Ann, Emily, George, Joseph, William Ann, Henry Matthew, Sarah Jane /Jane


ummmmm arrghhhhh

deb

[James R. Yeowell]

Linton is a town in Cambridgeshire as well.

Many of my ancestors were baptised there... hmm.

Here's their marriage:

EMILY LINTON     
     Female         
         
Event(s):
   Birth:
   Christening:
   Death:
   Burial:
         
Marriages:
     Spouse:     JOSEPH HEDGES
     Marriage:     
24 SEP 1838      All Saints And Saint John, Hertford, Hertford, England