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Do you recognise this uniform
« on: Saturday 13 February 10 23:57 GMT (UK) »
Hello there.
Can anyone help with this photo?  It is a family member.  My family were based in Durham, Newcastle.
It may be from the first World War. It even could have been from Australian Imperial Army?
What do you think?
I would be very glad of your help. It has been a mystery for some years.
God Bless.
Koha
Frances.
Auckland
New Zealand.
DURHAM: CROZIER/DRAPER/LAWSON/LEWINS/DOUGLAS/HUTCHINSON/  Hall/GILL/ HANTON.
BERKSHIRE: SEAMAN
CORK, IRELAND:  SEAMAN/STANTON/LYONS/MAHONEY,
CUMBERLAND:  FARREN/MOSSOP/BROCKLEBANK
LANCASHIRE: SIMPSON

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Re: Do you recognise this uniform
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 February 10 01:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Koha,

The uniform, puttees, ammunition bandolier across the chest and cap illustrate a cavalryman of circa World War I (or even a little later), the photograph taken in barracks rather than on active service. A clear image of the cap badge would allow you to determine his regiment and country of service.

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 February 10 08:31 GMT (UK) »
Kia Ora again Koha,

Looking at the photo again I can see what looks like a white or pale-coloured lanyard on the riders' left shoulder which might be a regimental honour of some kind. It may help narrow down the unit he was serving in. Since this is the only uniform insignia visible in the photo I suspect that his rank was that of Trooper (the equivalent of the infantry rank of Private).

The bandolier looks like it might be the 1903 pattern which had another four pouches on the back, although this won't help you much as this bandolier was probably used well into the 1920's. The reason I thought the photgraph was taken in barracks was the lack of weapons and other personal kit essential on active service.

Do you have a copy of his service record? This would solve many of your mysteries.

Another suggestion is that you approach one or more of the UK cavalry regimental museums to see if they can assist.

Happy hunting, riley
ELLERKER - Beverley ERY ENG
HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL

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Re: Do you recognise this uniform
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 February 10 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Koha

I have a picture of my grandfather in a very similar uniform;although he was in a mounted regiment, this picture is just of him. The cap badge although hard to see in your picture could be the same.  My grandfather I believe was in the 2nd County of London Yeomanry (The Westminster Dragoons).  If you can find a picture of the Westminster Dragoons cap badge on the internet, you will see what I mean.

Hopefully this will be of help to you.

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Williams (S. Wales/Worcester)
Eagles (Gloucester/Liverpool),

S. Wales/Devon/Somerset:
Havard, Hortop, Jenkins, Martin, Marshall, Lethbridge, Hearn/Hern

Northampton/Leicestershire
Ainge, Barker,Stevenson, Allan, Dickens
 
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Re: Do you recognise this uniform
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 February 10 21:23 GMT (UK) »
Do you have a possible name to go with the Photo...Circa Great War
Hard to ID badge unless high res scan possible?

Ady
Lowe(Lower Gornall-Castleford)
Blackburn (Castleford)
Sidwell(Ledsham)
Fairburn(Hartshead)
Wood(Liversedge)
Tallon (Whittington Lancs/Hartshead West Yorkshire)

Researching all Great War soldiers from the Spen Valley of West Yorkshire Especially lads from the Cleckheaton Company of 1/4th West Riding Regiment.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 February 10 22:11 GMT (UK) »
First of all, that is not an army horse. It does not have any military tack on whatsoever. ;)

Secondly, his putties are not wound in a mounted fashion, they are wound a la infantry or other unmounted soldiers. These would unwind within 5 mins rubbing against the flanks! ;D

Thirdly, the "lanyard" is but a wound cord to which, during WW1, the issue clasp knife was attached. The making of these were done by soldiers during down time.

The badge has more of the splodge at this resolution of the ASC....The SD cap is standard issue WW1 I'm afraid
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 February 10 22:15 GMT (UK) »
As for date...at this resolution, I'd say 1915.

The uniform would be quite different for any of the ANZAC I'm afraid...
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Re: Do you recognise this uniform
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 February 10 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Hello again
Thank you so much for all your help.
I am beginning to narrow things down.
Given it is the First World War and not the  Australian Army the young man must be one of two of my granmothers older brothers;    John Crozier. born 1894  Or George Crozier Born 1896.
God Bless.
Thanks so much everyone.
Frances. ( Koha)
Auckland
DURHAM: CROZIER/DRAPER/LAWSON/LEWINS/DOUGLAS/HUTCHINSON/  Hall/GILL/ HANTON.
BERKSHIRE: SEAMAN
CORK, IRELAND:  SEAMAN/STANTON/LYONS/MAHONEY,
CUMBERLAND:  FARREN/MOSSOP/BROCKLEBANK
LANCASHIRE: SIMPSON

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Re: Do you recognise this uniform
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 February 10 23:02 GMT (UK) »
Secondly, his putties are not wound in a mounted fashion, they are wound a la infantry or other unmounted soldiers. These would unwind within 5 mins rubbing against the flanks! ;D

Hi Scrimmet, could you describe what type of putties  the mounted ranks had then , as my grandad's picture shows what appears to be a very similiar uniform.  His cap badge was that of the Westminster Dragoons and I know that at some point he was in a mounted section.   

Fue
Williams (S. Wales/Worcester)
Eagles (Gloucester/Liverpool),

S. Wales/Devon/Somerset:
Havard, Hortop, Jenkins, Martin, Marshall, Lethbridge, Hearn/Hern

Northampton/Leicestershire
Ainge, Barker,Stevenson, Allan, Dickens
 
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk