Hall \ Carson.

[Brosie]

Researching my great grandmother, she is born in 1855 in Kilbirnie Ayrshire.
Father Thomas Carson occupation  ironminer born 1826 County Armagh.
Mother Margaret Hall born 1825 County Monaghan.
They are married in Kilbirnie in 1854 .
That is all I have on my great grandmother Martha's parents.

The 1855 birth certificate from Scotlands people has a birth on the bottom.
James Hall born Kilbirnie ayrshire .
Father john Hall born County Monaghan.
Mother Jane Carson married 1844 Monaghan .
 Although they could be a relation, if this is an ancestor of anyone they are welcome to a copy.
                                     Brosie.                         

[hallmark]

Not been working on my Halls from Monaghan lately, but am sure it will be very welcome by one of the many Hall researchers from Monaghan.

Every clue helps. Did Margaret Hall born 1825 County Monaghan die in Scotland? Her death cert might give father's name, maybe a townland. 

I think this might be their marriage; 23rd Dec 1845  John Hall son, Henry Hall, Tirnaneill  married Jane Carson dau, Philip Carson, Legacurry at Donagh, Co Monaghan.

[Brosie]

Hello Hallmark,
 Margaret Hall dies in Scotland 1844  her father is John Hall farm labourer , sadly no townland given , her mothers name is unreadable.
                         
Thomas Carson disappears in the 1861 census and is replaced with a a Thomas Closs I can find no trace of  this second marriage in Scotland.

The name you kindly supplied Henry Hall, is my grandfathers and my eldest brothers first and middle names.
                           
The only part of your information I can't get is the marriage date 23 Dec 1845?.
many thanks for your help so far.               Brosie.                   

[hallmark]

Your great grandmother, she is born in 1855 in Kilbirnie Ayrshire.
                      Father Thomas Carson occupation  ironminer born 1826 County Armagh.
                      Mother Margaret Hall born 1825 County Monaghan. They are married in Kilbirnie in 1854 .

 Margaret Hall dies in Scotland 1844  her father is John Hall farm labourer ,sadly no townland given , her mothers name is unreadable.


Margaret can't have died 9 years before she got married, and 11 years before she gave birth to your g/g.mother.

John married Jane in 1845, you have 1844 but that can easily be checked next time I'm in Monaghan.

[Brosie]

Hello Hallmark,
                        My error, Margaret dies in 1884 .
                         
                         Many thanks for you time and effort it is appreciated .
                                                                                                               Brosie. 

[hallmark]

No problem!

James Hall born Kilbirnie ayrshire .
                         Father john Hall born County Monaghan. Does it give a year?

Margaret Hall born 1825 County Monaghan and John could be brother/sister!

The Carson's could also be related even though there are different counties involved.

[Brosie]

Me again,
                James Hall born Kilbirnie 1855.
                Father John Hall County Monaghan 30 years old.
                Mother Jane Carson County Monaghan 28 years.
                Marriage Monaghan 1844.
                Two boys and one girl living, one boy deceased.

                 I had hoped the two families might be related, but it is better to have someone with a fresh pair of eyes look at the evidence
                                                                        Regards Brosie.

[hallmark]

Well that would make John and Margaret born same year.


 "Mother Jane Carson married 1844 Monaghan ". but does it give anything else? Born where?


It's difficult to get a complete picture without the complete data. while you've set it out well, concise etc  having to ask question after question usually ends up in a thread that gets nowhere as the flow of posts makes it impossible to follow.

So as far as I make it out it is;

 "Researching my great grandmother, she is born in 1855 in Kilbirnie Ayrshire.
                      Father Thomas Carson occupation  ironminer born 1826 County Armagh.
                      Mother Margaret Hall born 1825 County Monaghan. Died 1884.
                      They are married in Kilbirnie in 1854 .
                      That is all I have on my great grandmother Martha's parents.

                       The 1855 birth certificate from Scotlands people has a birth on the bottom.
                        James Hall born 1855, Kilbirnie ayrshire .
                         Father John Hall, age 30, born County Monaghan.
                         Mother Jane Carson, age 28, married 1844 Monaghan . Possibly 23rd Dec 1845  John Hall son, Henry Hall, Tirnaneill  married Jane Carson dau, Philip Carson, Legacurry at Donagh, Co Monaghan.

If you have anything to narrow it down further it will help, you have 2 Halls, 2 Carsons with 2 Kilbirnie births so did these Hall/Carsons attend same church, any census records for them, did they live near each other etc in Scotland? If they were brother/sister, any sign of Henry there? Are there burials for them, if so, same cemetery?

Thomas Carson son of who?? (Philip???). His death cert should give this. Then you'd know if he was possibly Janes brother or not.
                         

[hallmark]

There probably are others just "watching" this thread to gather whatever information they can from our work so maybe send this thread by private messages might be better....Pvt message me!

Thanks