where were they.?

[teaurn]

With regard to the birth reg I have a 3x grandfather was baptised but not registered. Well! not that I have not ever found. Seems in the early days there was some confusion about regulations and some were either baptized or registered.

[carol8353]

Have you followed this chap back through all the censuses yet?

[teaurn]

have found a william stoker but not a william sands and not with father Thomas

[johnrs]

found a william sands near spittal tounge, one year old in 1861 at  pilgrim street (near barras bridge and haymarket) all saints n/castle, but not a reference number to get birth cert. it gives father as willam (wood turner) if this is son of thomas he was a cabinet maker so could be right, they say his wife was claranda? and a daughter called
isabella, my dad had a sister clorinda born in newburn and a sister called isabella, could be on the right track.?

[carol8353]

thanks teaurn, have just got a marriage cert for william stokoe sands and mary jane callaghan, st domonics catholic church,newcastle, both at same add.2 gordon road, n/castle, william aged 39.? and mary 28, farther thomas sands deceased,marys john callaghan. think this is correct as date is 26 oct 1898, this would give about 14 yr to 1911 census which is what they say on that. also found john and jane callaghan with a daughter mary in carlisle in 1881, think the 1901 census for brass cottages the colligan should be callaghan and living at same place as mary jane and william. also found christening record for william stoker sands (father thomas) 28 nov' 1852 but not a birth record. wish I could find this.!

Who are the witnesses to this marriage- often useful siblings of the bride and groom.

You really need to start with what you know(1901?) and work backwards.

Carol

[johnrs]

thanks carol,one of the wittnesses was a bridget callaghan who is listed in 1881 census as another daughter so I am sure her side of
the family is correct. on my last post I thought  thomas was a cabinet maker but this was marriage cert in 1898. have now found marriage cert for willam stoker sands first marriage to ann nixon in 1882 in reg office, gateshead father again given as thomas (deceased) which seems to be right.     

[carol8353]

So if he's in Gateshead in 1882- then you should be able to get him, on the 1881?