John Turner Harris

[James D]

Hi

Yes that's correct, Emma was born b1866 - before they married.

I cannot locate the certificate at the moment because we have just moved house and everything in still in boxes.

I was doing a general google search on John Turner Harris and came across Rootschat for the first time and left a message in the bible section in answer to someone else who was looking for him, he suggested I leave a message in the Essex section and he would see it when he next logs in. I am surprised at the rapid response this has obtained and will be careful to get all my facts together before I next ask for help.

Thanks

James

[lizdb]

Here is the same Turner familyin 1851

HO107 1783 462 32
Great Coggles.
Joseph 48 Ag lab
Emma 31
John 12
Emma 8
Sarah 3
Eliza 1

all bn Great Coggl.

[James D]

Hi

Thanks for this I will have to look at all the above info and digest it to see if the date line up

James

[lizdb]

MArriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1844
Witham 12 443

Joseph Turner/Emma Harris

So it look sas if John was born to Emma Harris before she married Joseph Turner.

So I guess he was registered as John Harris, but added in his stepfathers name as a middle name.

[lizdb]

All ties up nicely in 1841

HO107 335 4
Great Coggl.

Amelia Harris 60
Emma 22
John 2

this looks like your John, with his mum, and then the Amelia who appears with the family 30 years later by which time Emma has married Joseph Turner and been widowed herself.

[James D]

Hi

I have just looked at the various census & BMD and would agree with you that it's John Turner.

Thanks for doing this so quick.

One last question - where can I find out how to access the census by the numbers that you have quoted ie RG10 1696 74 17, I search through Ancestry and had to do a name lookup and then plod through all the names until I found the one you were referring to.

Thanks Again

James

[lizdb]

 At the bottom of the screen where you enter name, etc for who you want to look up on each census, there are boxes for the ref numbers.

Its just under the boxes for 'family members'

   
If you put the numbers in there it should come up! Can put in surname too, to narrow it down.
 
 
 
 

[findem]

Hi James,

I see what you mean by "a rapid response", there's nothing I can think of to add here, I found John Turner Harris in my early days of research with his wife and family in a census.  By that time I had found my maternal gt gt grandparents Joseph and Lucy (nee Turner) Harris and their family, Joseph and Lucy named a daughter Caroline Turner Harris (bap1839) and another daughter Lucy Turner Harris (bap 1843).  Based on the naming of Caroline and Lucy my theory was that John Turner Harris is likely to be a son of Joseph and Lucy, to date I hadn't been able the prove or disprove the theory, in spite of checking and rechecking the Coggeshall PRS on three visits to the UK.  Now the mystery is solved thanks to those who responded to James post and I can remove John from my search list, exit John Turner Harris 

Just a thought, could Joseph Turner be John's natural father who eventually "did the right thing by Emma" and marry her?

If there are any Harris names you wish me to check in my data bases I'll be happy to do so.

By the way I am still looking for the Harris family bible, I know there was one because a spinster great aunt Emily Harris moved in with my grandparents and brought with her a handwritten extract of her parents birth details from the family bible.

So if anyone spots it I would be grateful for a tip off.  The Bible will have details of my gt grandparents Joseph Harris born 10 Aug 1829 Pattiswick and baptised  11 Sep 1831 Gt Coggeshall and Eliza Dalton born 13 Oct 1829 Gt Coggeshall, I am hoping that the Bible will give the names of Joseph's grandparents.  Joseph's father was also a Joseph Harris who claimed in the 1851 Coggeshall census to have been born about 1807 in Little Coggeshall but in spite of checking Coggeshall PRs including the independents, three times, also checking some surrounding parishes I just cannot find him.

Regards.

Modified to add "just a thought"