Richard SHARPS what information could I get from 1858 patent application

[jorose]

The man mentioned in 1858 is probably this one in 1861:

RG9/2734 32/9
10 Ayr? Street, West Derby, Liverpool
(all b. Liverpool)
Richard Sharpe, 52, master pianoforte maker (1 workman)
Ann, wife, 48,
William Filkin(? not sure on surname) step son, 26, lithographer
Elizabeth Filkin?, step daughter, 21

[wisepete]

I wonder if this is the same elusive Mr Sharps. 

This is great and looks like it could fit in with the years of his life.  I suppose he should still appear on a couple of the earlier censuses.  Also I have found one of his Grandaugters emigrated to New Zealand so there could be a link there.  A good find.

When was your Thomas born.

I made an error (due to replying from work  , I dont have the birth certificate of Thomas, its actually the marriage certificate of Thomas Sharps and Sarah Ellen Clegg where I got the name of Thomas' parents.  Unfortunately this certificate states that they were both of age but I have the death certificate for Thomas where I have calculated his birth as 1834.

Would be great to see the records you have found on the IGI.  Thanks.

[wisepete]

The man mentioned in 1858 is probably this one in 1861:

RG9/2734 32/9
10 Ayr? Street, West Derby, Liverpool
(all b. Liverpool)
Richard Sharpe, 52, master pianoforte maker (1 workman)
Ann, wife, 48,
William Filkin(? not sure on surname) step son, 26, lithographer
Elizabeth Filkin?, step daughter, 21

I have had a look at this and am pretty sure that this is the man I am looking for!  V. happy thanks  .

All the Sharps family I have found so far have all had the 'Sharps' surname but I am confident this will change between Sharp/Sharpes/Sharpe etc........it still does today!

[wilcoxon]

I`m  confused now,  is the Richard married to Ann in 1861 the one you are related to, or the one with Jane Fogg.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

IGI
 THOMAS SHARPS -
Christening: 01 MAR 1837 Saint Peter, Liverpool,
father Richard Sharps. Mother Jane.

It doesn`t give Jane`s maiden name, but the original entry may give Richards occupation.
Search was
Sharps, Lancashire, England, British Isles
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: P020274
using that batch No gives 32 Sharps and similer bapt between 1817 / 1838 at the same church.

 Unfortunately I can`t find a marriage.

[wilcoxon]

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

This is a very good site, it has many records for Lancs.
Just choose `search` on LH side,  the when the orange page appears,  follow the `click` here to search the whole county.
It`s best to just use the surname.

[wisepete]

I think Richard has been married twice, firstly to Jane FOGG, having their son Thomas around 1834 and leaving Jane shortly after.  He then later married Ann.  

I am looking to see if he can be found in the other census, he certainly should be able to be found somewhere in the 1841/51 census.  He then may have disappeared after 1861 (possibly to New Zealand), but again this now needs to be confirmed with this new information.

I think the his surname will be one of Sharps/Sharp/Sharpe etc so it may take a while, I will have a go looking by using the IGI batch numbers.

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

This is a very good site, it has many records for Lancs.
Just choose `search` on LH side,  the when the orange page appears,  follow the `click` here to search the whole county.
It`s best to just use the surname.

..will have a look at this to, thanks 

[wilcoxon]

I can`t find the Google result you mention in your first post.

If you can trace Ann Filkin in earlier census then you may be able to narrow down when and if she married Richard. You have 1841/51 to work with.


http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Occupations.html#Inventors

I found this on Genuki. It might be a start. You will have to go to the Genuki page for an email link to Steve

Inventors
Inventors - Steve van Dulken, the historical patents specialist at the British Library, is willing to carry out free research (30 minutes limit) for those who believe that they have an inventor in their ancestry. Enquiries are welcome from anyone who can provide fairly specific data such as "John Williams (1840-c.1895), believed to be inventing sewing machines c.1870-1880" rather than "John Williams, inventing sometime in the last century" as the indexes are annual. N.B. Steve will search for the PATENT ONLY - he is NOT able to provide any genealogical information whatsoever on the inventors.

[jorose]

I think this is the Filkins in 1841:
HO 107/561/22/17/26
Egypt St, Liverpool
Ann Filkin, 32
Thomas, 8
William, 6
Eliza, 4

(IGI shows William, Eliza, and also a son Robert b. 1839 as children of Robert and Ann Filkin).

By 1871, Thomas appears as a pianoforte maker and married to Sophia (nee Jones?), Ann is back to being "Ann Filkin" (60), with daughter Eliza (30) - they are both living on Park Road.  I think Ann died (and Eliza may have married) by 1881.

I don't have access to 1851 so somebody else can try and track him down there!

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20485/pages/2016
 This must be him in 1846 - Note that one of the addresses given (actually given twice!) as a lodger in "Egypt Street" - plenty of opportunities to meet Ann.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20460/pages/1108
 - he was actually imprisoned (debtor's prison).

He doesn't seem to have married Ann at all, probably because he was still married to Jane.

[wilcoxon]

Well done Jorose, 
I`m struggling to find the Filkins in 1851, but it seems that they were just living together as man and wife anyway.
As for Richard Sharps, he could just have been economical with the truth in 1841/51.