Cameron gravestones DARVEL

[MatthewCameron]

Hello! I saw your question about "Pischineuch" - I found a reference to a record on Ancestry.com that says, "Excerpt: From Scottish Record Society Commissariot of Glasgow Register of Testaments 20 Mar. 1618 22 June 1663 Cameron "John..."

Then I found the original Register of Testaments in a searchable PDF, and it lists two testaments: "John [Cameron], in Pischinheuche, par. of Lowdoune, 13 Mar. 1621," then "John [Cameron], in Pischeinheuch, par. of Lowdoune, 26 Oct 1624."

So it sounds like Pischineuch is a place name for some part of Loudon? And these Testaments most likely document the deaths of the first people in the family tree mentioned at the "Camerons in Manitoba" site someone else mentioned in this chain earlier (http://www.decorateit.ca/cameron/cameronfamily_tree.htm)

Ancestry reference link: https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/mediastorypublic/?name=_cameron&bsk=BEFpYewIgAAERwCt5rg-61-&fh=4220

Link for searchable PDF of the Commissariot of Glasgow Register of Testaments: https://www.electricscotland.com/history/records/scottishrecordso07scotuoft.pdf

[loobylooayr]

Hello MatthewCameron and welcome to Rootschat,

Don't know if you noticed , but the original question posed and the replies were posted in 2010.
Two of the contributors haven't been active on the site for a couple of years , but if their email address is still active they should get an email alert advising them someone has posted on this thread.

Thank you for posting the info you have found.
I'm a Loudoun lassie born and bred and I have to admit Pischineuch/Pischeineuch has me stumped - never heard of it, I'm afraid.

Looby
 

[Agnes14]

I can't add any more. I live in the area and never heard of Pischeinheuch. There certainly were Camerons around at that time but none of the old maps refer to that particular place.

[bigcheese]

As it happens, the ROY military Map 1752 -1755 shows Pischineuch approx 3.5 miles  North (NNW) of the ultimate Cameron ancestral home at Loudounhill Farm. As per attached Pischineuch shows as a modest settlement up in the hills which has disappeared from maps a century later in the more detailed OS Map of 1857-60. This is the reference in the Canadian family tree papers, and in the Ancestry files. The farm became East Loudounhill Farm in the 1940's when it was sold, with the Loudounhill Farm name then being assumed by what up till then was known as Loudounhill House , some 600 yards across the fields. The buildings are still inhabited (by a well known Scottish artist) and in excellent condition

Matthew - I couldn't get in to Ancestry , but be great thanks if there are any screen grabs you could post of these references

[Forfarian]

Comparing Roy's map with the modern maps, and following the rivers, it looks as if Pissingheuch is near what is now known as Long Green - see http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS5741 and https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.6415&lon=-4.2694&layers=6&b=1.

On both of these you can see Braidley (= Broadlee) to the south, Gateside to the south-west and Lochfield to the north-east, just as they appear on Roy's map.

East Loudounhill is about two miles south-east of Long Green, and is marked as such on the 1:25,000 map, but as Loudonhill on the 1:50,000 map. See https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS5937 and click on the map to enlarge it. This is the place named as Loudounhill House on the first edition of the six-inch Ordnance Survey map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.6159&lon=-4.2340&layers=6&b=1.

You can also see Allanton Mill to the south, Loudoun Hill to the east, and Glaister to the west, also as shown on Roy's map.

[bigcheese]

it is curious that on Roy ,  Pischineuch  is North West of the Lochfield settlement near Lochfield Loch , yet Long Green is South West of Lochfield Loch on the OS 1888 / 1913. Using the topographic features it might be a tad nearer to Lamb Hill where there is a spring

The Roy map tends to be a bit compressed top to bottom, but not consistently so, as its intention was to be pictorial rather than accurate

[Forfarian]

it is curious that on Roy ,  Pischineuch  is North West of the Lochfield settlement near Lochfield Loch , yet Long Green is South West of Lochfield Loch on the OS 1888 / 1913. Using the topographic features it might be a tad nearer to Lamb Hill where there is a spring.

Except that the Roy map shows the Glen Water between Pissingheuch and Lochfield, and there is no watercourse between Lochfield and Lamb Hill. Pissingheuch could be somewhere else in that locality but Roy shows it west of the Glen Water.

[bigcheese]

A stretch of the Roy overlay from right to left and a slight anti-clockwise rotation to line up Mucks Water and Brocklees supports that, and one suspects that the surveyors walk from Lochfield to Pischenheuch was aided by a dram or 2 , as they must have lost track of the distance . and it lines up nicely with Harkhousesykes (presumably  Herocksyke as was )

[loobylooayr]

Hi,
The ROY map is very interesting.  I've never seen that map before.
Looking at it and comparing with one of the maps Forfarian has linked,  my first thoughts are that Pischenheuch sat above Longgreen.
There is a place marked Longuide on the ROY  -  think that's what's written - and I'm wondering if that became Longgreen.


Looby