Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?

[jorose]

http://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/Archives-du-Pas-de-Calais
3 E 403
Saint-Pierre-lès-Calais
tables décennales
(1873-1882)
has an entry for Desombre, F?x Ch Simon, 8 Feb 1882 (this could be the date of registration for a child born the previous day.

There's also in the marriages:
Desombre, Joseph ?et?
Rosey, Lydia Adele
(18 April 1881)

[polidor]

Jorose, i clicked on to this site and was 'lost' i'm afraid, my French is limited--very limited --5or 6 words only. i looked to see if it was possible to get an English translation but couldn't find one.  poli

[cosmac]

Usually you can set an "always translate" option from your toolbar.

Excellent work Jorose for finding this site.  An important contribution for solving this mystery and it probably took you awhile to find the proper entries.

As to the name change from Desombre to Humber.  Was he just trying to sound more Canadian or is this a "dit" name as found in Quebec.  For eg. earching for the surname Lachapelle you end up looking at Jannot, Langlois or a few other surnames depending on which line you extend from.

Debbie

[J.J.]

Thanks for the info, Lynwen...The name was also known to be German or Dutch so that might have been a reason for the name change....
Perhaps they changed the surname out of sheer frustration   as:

I am pretty sure this is the family on the 1911* as December, ( but looks to be Disomber ) forename Charles....a very hurried entry with mistakes and Lydia is same age as mother, but think it was just the person behind the pencil ( note Charles' birthdate is down as "lodger"
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=78386

*noted address of 300 block Christie Street , as well as 1910 yr of immigration. I also looked for a freebmd December/ L*dia marriage no groom forename...and found none, also no L*dia births.

Nice find, jorose...

[jorose]

Hi polidor,
Basically, tables décennales are ten-year indexes of births, marriages, and deaths. They are usually separated by commune and then into some sort of alphabetical order. The situation for cities is often a bit complex; "Saint-Pierre-lès-Calais" refers to what was originally a separate place and is these days apparently the south/south-east part of Calais (the "newer" part as opposed to the old city). It looks like they might have been officially joined sometime in the 1880s as the records for Saint Pierre seem to peter out around 1885.

They've only put up the indexes and not the original records.  So the only information available is the name and date - "8th Feb 1882" would be when the birth was registered, quite likely the morning after his birth on the 7th Feb. Names are often abbreviated in the indexes and I'm assuming that the birth is supposed to read "Desombre, Felix Charles Simon"

The main records on that site:
Tables décennales de l'état civil (ten-year indexes of civil registration)
Recensements de population (censuses; not name-indexed so you could have a go but might be a long slog)
Recrutement militaire (military records; I don't have any experience with these records)


Incidentally he might be in Chelsea in 1901?
http://www.1901censusonline.com/ shows a 20 year old "Gelise Dezambre", and as his mother appears to have been in London by this time I'd expect him to be around somewhere around too.

[polidor]

Usually you can set an "always translate" option from your toolbar.

Debbie

Googled for a translation help and managed to get the site in English BUT  before you can start searching there is a box across the main page asking you to register and state where you are from--wrote United Kingdom and up came a message via google that i was making 'an illegal entry'--cheeky monkeys. Couldn't get any further with it. Damn. poli

[cosmac]

There is an option to "click" on your country rather than typing it in.

If you're using ancestry the entry that Jorose is referring to is transcribed as
Gelise Deg Amlie  RG13 75 54 16

Debbie

[jorose]

Yes, I had some problem with that part of the site, too - I just told them I was from a randomly chosen department in France.

Also found:
Lydia Adele Rosey, b. Saint-Pierre-lès-Calais , 29 Mar 1864
Saint-Pierre was absorbed into Calais in 1885

http://www.geneanet.org/ - if you search for Rosey in Calais you will find someone researching Lydia's family (this site is free to join). They seem to have descendants through one of her brothers, but no info on Lydia past her birth, so would probably be interested in hearing from you (particularly if the marriage in London in 1903 confirms Lydia's maiden name/father's name)

[J.J.]

They'll be thrilled to have all this information you have all dug up! What a fabulous job. This may be Lydia's death as Snowden:

Lydia A Snowden died age 58    Barnet district / Sept. Q. 1923 / vol.3a  p.357

~~OOOps sorry, Debbie aleady found that earlier...I forget that you can find everything on a person without using the bmd....