WHEELER Thomas - Help with this very solid brickwall

[MumskiG]

Hi wilcoxon
I will have to look into the Clara Whaley link - not sure on the Richmond connection though - but with the success I am having (not  ) I will give it a look - you never know where it might take me
Many thanks

[Ron Lankshear]

I think his ages are reasonable - accurate enough

The 1881 does seem like the family - H, being General Labourer could equate with Bricklayer

So a marriage by 1864 per oldest son - I was trying FreeBMD but no Henry or even Harold - supposing he might be called Harry and Thomas assumes Henry

and T being born St Andrews would agree with Holborn as Thomas said in 1901.

Now 1911 do Thomas and Charles have any other fore names also at death ?

If plain Thomas then back to 2 births mentioned before

And Charles birth may help - just a few choices

[nigelp]

The birth of Charles Wheeler may be the following:

WHEELER Charles - 1b 737 Holborn Dec 1882 qtr.

It might be worth ordering this certificate to see what, if anything, it says about Clara.

I am posting the following for ease of reference:

1891 Census (RG12; Piece: 175; Folio 24; Page 44)
21 Myrtle Street, Islington
Clara Wheeler Head Widow 49 Charwoman  London, St Pancras
Thomas Wheeler Son 15 Errand boy  London, Clerkenwell
Charles Wheeler Son 8 London, Clerkenwell

1881 Census (RG11; Piece: 351; Folio: 63; Page: 6)
7 Northampton Row, Clerkenwell
H. Wheeler Head Mar 50 General labourer Windsor ?
C. Wheeler Wife Mar 45 St Pancras
H. Wheeler Son 17 Printer Islington
F. Wheeler Son 7 Scholar St Andrews
T. Wheeler Son 4 Scholar St Andrews
C. Meeks Niece Mar 20 General servant  Windsor
J. Shea Lodger Widower 43 General labourer  St Andrews
D. Shea Lodger Unmar 16 Messenger  St Andrews

Possible 1861 Census entry (RG9; Piece: 761; Folio: 62; Page: 33):
Clewer, Windsor, Berkshire
Henry Wheeler Head Wid 30 Waterman  Berks, Windsor
Richard Wheeler Bro Unm 20 Waterman  Berks, Windsor

Henry appears to be unmarried in the 1851 Census and living with his mother Elizabeth.

There is also the following marriage:

WHEELER Henry
BROWN Susan
2c 632 Windsor Jun 1859 qtr

There is the following death:
WHEELER Susan - 2c 235 Windsor Dec 1860 qtr

Nigel

[MumskiG]

Thanks to all for the great leads
I am quite keen on the Clara Whaley marriage - so will look into that further - initially I thought Richmond was a bit off track, but think it is definitely worth looking into.  If it works out well, think that she is definitely the second marriage and maybe mother of Thomas and then Charles.
I saw the Susan Brown marriage - in view of her death date could be first wife, but unsure if she would have had any of the children - she may have died of disease or child birth - an interesting one to look into.
There is also a birth of Thomas in 1878 (Mar Islington) worth a look - shame there is no baptism or christening I can find as that helps enormously before having to pay out for certificates - but heh need to get to the bottom of this.
I am now sure of the link with the Myrtle Street Wheelers as I have found that Myrtle Street was also known as Canterbury Place at that time and that is the address of Thomas when he married in 1896 - so unlikely to have been another family.
I feel much more confident to be getting somewhere at last.

Once again many thanks for all the help and advice - my path is looking a lot clearer now

[Valda]

Hi

Since Clara Whaley gave a birthplace of Camberwell and a birth year of 1855 I'm afraid you would be 'shoe horning' her in to try and get her to fit the known facts about Clara Wheeler from the censuses after 1881 when she gave Pancras consistently as her place of birth and her birth year as circa 1841

Clara Whaley married Stephen James Richardson judging by the 1881 census

Marriages Dec 1876   
Lloyd  Harriet    Richmond, S  2a 526   
Richardson  Stephen James     Richmond S.  2a 526   
Whaley  Clara     Richmond S  2a 526   
WHEELER  Henry     Richmond S  2a 526

1881 census RG11 1677 folio
Church Lane Newmarket Suffolk
Stephen J. Richardson 28 Head Married Draper's assistant Shallingford Beds
Clara Richardson 25 Wife Married Camberwell
Charles E.W. Richardson 3 Son Richmond Surrey
Stephen A. Richardson 2 Son Newmarket Suffolk
Clara Richardson 1 Daughter Newmarket Suffolk
plus 1 boarder


If the 1881 census is correct there is a gap between the first child and the next series of children which might indicate a second marriage but since there isn't a straightforward possibility for the marriage you would be better obtaining a birth certificate in the hope of obtaining Clara's maiden name and going on from there. I would take it one step at a time because the surname Wheeler is relatively common and the cost of certificates is expensive.



Regards

Valda

[MumskiG]

Valda
Very good point.  Well found.  I think your advice on working from the Birth Cert first and move on from there is a good one.
More investigations first I think.
Many thanks for the timely advice
Best Wishes