Lady Violet Greville

[Keitht]

She may also have been a children's author.

See http://victorianresearch.org/atcl/show_author.php?aid=480

[coombs]

I have an ancestor sibling whose middle name was the first name of the local lord of the manor. William Warden Walder born 1853 son of John and Charlotte Walder. The squire was Warden Sergison.

[heywood]

why was his grandfather's middle name Greville?  And why did his grandfather go on about a Lady Violet?  Although I suspect that my father might have misheard his grandfather, and it was Lady Valda that his grandfather was going on about.)
Bridget

Well we are all caught up with Lady V 
In what way did grandfather go on about a Lady Violet? I wonder if she stayed locally -either for her writing or at a 'big house' and the family may have come into some sort of contact with her.
Probably something we can't answer sadly. 
Enjoying this thread though. |We don't give up so easily. 

[heywood]

I think they are here in 1871 - mistranscription of her name as Verlie

1871 RG10; Piece: 49; Folio: 56; Page: 34

14 Beaufort Gardens Kensington

Captain Grevill 30 yrs Retired Captain b London
Lady Violet Grevill 28 yrs Peeress b Northampton
Baby Grevill 4 months b London

plus servants
 Baby is a daughter which according to Wikipedia should be Charles, I think it said 

[BridgetM]

Thank you for everyone's interest!

In what way did grandfather go on about a Lady Violet? I wonder if she stayed locally -either for her writing or at a 'big house' and the family may have come into some sort of contact with her.

My g grandfather seemed to think we were somehow connected to the much richer branch of the family that lived in Appleby.  Perhaps he felt we were "entitled" to some of their wealth?  I know the name Greville was used to "curry favor."

I also know that there was a Lady Valda living in the manor house in Appleby in the early 20th century, and I wonder if perhaps my father mis-heard Valda as Violet?  (My g grandfather's older brother named his first daughter, Valda, and gave his oldest son the middle name of Greville--which is my father's first name.)

But, the coincidence of a Lady Violet with the surname of Greville?  Could my father have heard his grandfather correctly

[heywood]

It is intriguing- I am just searching around the Taylour family (Earl of Bective) who seem to own Underley Hall around that time- although they are absent in census  How the other half live 
There could possibly be connections there I suppose with visiting- who knows?
It may be that your family were intrigued by the family names.
The other branch of your family, presumably had no connections with Grevilles.
Names were chosen, I suppose, as we do now- sometimes family/a whim/an event etc.
My grandfather born 1877 had a middle name of Delhi - his whole name had been sued for an earlier child who died but these people were millworkers and you would wonder why choose that name?

[BridgetM]

The other branch of your family, presumably had no connections with Grevilles.

We didn't even know about the other branch of the family until I started doing family research about a year ago.  My father was an only child, and his father had a sister who died young--so he spent most of his life as an only child.  My father was extremely close to his grandparents and spent as much time as he could at their house in Barbon, and he always thought that his grandfather was an only child.  He never met any g aunts or uncles, and his grandfather never mentioned any siblings. 

One of the first things I discovered was that my g grandfather had 9 siblings--some of whom lived quite close by!  Only one of the brothers had children, and I contacted his grandson--who also didn't know that his grandfather had any siblings!  This grandson's father had the middle name of Greville!

[heywood]

How strange  but that's families for you.
I am now just looking at Percy Machell but I am going to stop now  (lunch is calling)

I suppose the one thing that I can think of is dates.  If they were going to call their son after someone then the contact would be in early 1870s for them to be taken with the name etc.
There don't seem to be many Greviiles around in Westmorland.
The later relative could have been called after your gt grandfather more than likely.
Baptisms may have clues - godparents perhaps?
Good luck- will check later in case any further developments.
heywood

[Ruskie]

The TV series 'Servants' mentions Violet. Second Episode - you might be interested in getting hold of it.