Christs Hospital Records?

[joboy]

Hi 2mm,
the 'John and Frances West Group' site at;
http://www.west-group.org/html/weststory.html
has a lot to say about Christ's Hospital and how it caters for poor children.Go to the links at top of first page.
An extract reads;
"Among the charitable provisions of the West Trust was the payment of pensions to poor persons, with preference for the poor kin of John and Frances WEST. It was once loosely known as the "West Relation Trust". These pensions were initially paid by the Clothworkers' Company and latterly through their Clothworkers' Foundation, from the West Relief in Need charity, established on 14th April, 1978. This being one of a succession of Charity Commission schemes. Then in 1984 the responsibility for such payments was transferred to the Trustees of Christ's Hospital, who already administered a similar but larger Charity under which the kin of John and Frances WEST might benefit for school places.

General enquirers and all prospective applicants for pensions should contact the Trustees of Christ's Hospital, who keep important West records at the school, at Horsham, West Sussex, RN13 7lS."
Joe 

[Valda]

Hi

Both the Guildhall Library manuscripts guide and the LMA guide for Christ's Hospital school state

'Information about boys admitted after 1911 and girls admitted after 1890 should be sought from the clerk of Christ's Hospital..'

http://217.154.230.218/NR/rdonlyres/6D5E22B1-C5F0-4A2D-8E1B-56581D12F795/0/29RECORDSOFCHRISTSHOSPITALANDBLUECOATSCHOOLS.pdf

Despite some confusion with the LMA guide, the earlier records (pre 1911 and 1890 for girls) are as Dawn stated held at the Manuscripts Section of Guildhall Library

http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=11474&inst_id=118&nv1=search&nv2=basic

Records are on microfilm

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=179643&disp=Records++of++Christ%27s++Hospital++%28Lo  &columns=*,0,0

They appear to be in the London Family History Centre catalogue

http://www.londonfhc.org/content/catalogue?c=10&p=England,England,London&f=1

and could be ordered and viewed at your local Family History Centre.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhc/frameset_fhc.asp


Births Sep 1878   Rochester  Thomas William    Chelmsford  4a 280

3rd June 1876 St Philip Lambeth
Thomas Rochester 21 Bachelor Police Constable Springfield Thomas Rochester Barge Builder
Moretta Cook 22 Spinster 66 High Street  William Cook Cabman
Both signed
Witnesses William Rochester and Sarah Ann Rochester

Thomas junior was with his maternal grandparents the Cooks in Lambeth in 1881. His parents? were at 17 St Helen's Place Bishopgate City of London. Thomas senior was a housekeeper. The Leathersellers' Hall was in St Helen's Place. Thomas senior was a bank messenger in 1891 in Westminster and a caretaker in Bexhill on Sea in 1901 - so Thomas' admission, if these were his parents, seems less likely as a charity scholar.


Regards

Valda

[2mm]

First. Thank you all, for the replies.    I recently contacted Christ's archives, re Thomas W.
I had been gathering information on his parents, to see if he ever appeared to live with them. Thomas Sen. Served with the Met. 2/3 years. then Essex force 5/6 years all BETWEEN 1871-1881 census.  Thms.Jn. born Springfield Chemlsford, 1878.  living with grandparents Cook 1881.
Re, reply from Christ's. 
He was admitted following special application and presentation under "the grant of a John Smith who gifted a place for children from St Helen, Bishopsgate"  He entered Sept. 1888. Discharged by father 24 June 1893 to take up job with Messrs Claydon & Co ship brokers London.
Also on this report it states Thomas Jnr.  Had several illnesses in 1880. and was short sighted. Plus his father had a salary of £70. annum + use of furnished apartments, 1888 when application made.
From census from 1881-1911 they never appeared to live together as a family, a daughter was born, lived about 5 months 1889.  1911 census  NO BIRTHS of children were ever entered for Thomas and Moretta.

Any views re John Smith? 
2mm 

[Valda]

Hi


The censuses merely show who was living with who for one night every 10 years, not the other well over 3,000 other nights between. Christ's Hospital was a boarding school but it wasn't a C19th orphanage that removed children from contact with their families. Children from the school had contact with their families and would have visited and stayed with them.


Monuments in St Helen Bishopgate church

In Memory of
JOHN SMITH ESQR
of this Parish who died
June 29th 1783 Aged 80
By Strict Probity
Sincerety and Benevolence
he endeared himself to
ALL who knew him:
But more especially to the
Poor. and Needy.
by kind Condescension and boundless CHARITY
Reader!
"Go and do thou likewise"

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=98362


PCC will

Will of John Smith of Great Saint Helens , City of London 03 July 1783 PROB 11/1106


Regards

Valda

[2mm]

Thanks Valda, for John Smith  info.  Re the " over 3000 nights "  I agree, they could have had contact, or he  may have lived with them even, between census, pity his parents didn't put this information on 1911 C.  against
the question "Total CHILDREN  born alive" The word  None was  written. Thm. Jnr is on 1911 c  living in Marylebone parents in Ramsgate. Maybe he had his holidays with them, they had a boarding house.
Regards  2mm