*COMPLETED*piecing together O'MALLEY in VIC

[Rufous Treecreeper]

Just went through Vic Pioneer with a fine tooth comb and could NOT find Edward O'Malley's birth reg

Mo

[Timetraveller77]

HI Cando and Mo,
man, you guys are awesome! Thanks so much for all this new info, and search tips.

I wonder if Edward O'Malley (b. 1875) actually had a different registered name at birth? His son, Edward Albert O'Malley was like this. Birth index register shows "Albert Edward" and yet he was known as Edward, and later "Ted".
I also wonder if there is a record for when his parents left Tasmania for Victoria?

I am getting more hits with the TEMPLER's and don't mind going back to the library to search for more, thanks Cando. Having said that, no sense wasting hours of time if you have it all in front of you LOL. I will check what I need and list them for you of that's OK still?

The O'Malleys have me perplexed though. I am told by my mother in law (whose father was Edward Albert O'Malley b. 1910) that they had a family member who was associated with the Kelly Gang. Of course I know how these stories can get wildly exaggerated over the years, so I am keen to prove/disprove it really.

I have HEAPS of new data for the GOREY's now too, so I am clearly on a roll (thanks to online family trees!). And yes, I will check the sources (wink).

Thanks guys. Janine

[cando]

No Edward but another one

OMALEY Joseph John
Father Patrick  Mother Honora WALSH
At Melbourne  1867  Reg#16868

So the births are in Victoria that were registered - 1867, 1872,1874,1875, and 1876.

Not your family of interest.

Any of the birth registrations will give you the parents' ages and places of birth and marriage and names of previous issue living and deceased.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Info on Victorian certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

I will have to search again.

Cando

[Rufous Treecreeper]

While I think of it - Victorian death cert should say how long the person lived in Victoria.  This way you can find out when the OMalleys' arrived.  Only a couple of new things;

Elizth Helena OMALLEY died 1911 Carl N age 28
father Templer Edwd
mother Emma GOREY
reg 8175

Honora OMALLEY
died 1909 C Hill age 3
father omalley Edwd
mother Helena Elizth TEMPLER
reg sorry forgot to write it down

Honorah Helena OMALLEY
died 1912 Richmond age 29
father Hanley Timothy
mother Margt HYNES
reg 7452

and finally
Edward OMALLEY
died 1941 Coburg age 77
father omalley Jas
mother Honoria OBRIEN
reg 8350

Good luck - must go, fish and chips are getting cold
Mo

[Timetraveller77]

While I think of it - Victorian death cert should say how long the person lived in Victoria.  This way you can find out when the OMalleys' arrived.  Only a couple of new things;

Elizth Helena OMALLEY died 1911 Carl N age 28
father Templer Edwd
mother Emma GOREY
reg 8175

Honora OMALLEY
died 1909 C Hill age 3
father omalley Edwd
mother Helena Elizth TEMPLER
reg sorry forgot to write it down

Honorah Helena OMALLEY
died 1912 Richmond age 29
father Hanley Timothy
mother Margt HYNES
reg 7452

and finally
Edward OMALLEY
died 1941 Coburg age 77
father omalley Jas
mother Honoria OBRIEN
reg 8350

Good luck - must go, fish and chips are getting cold
Mo

Thanks for these MO. At least two are my relatives. The first "Honora O'Malley" who d. 1909 age 3. She was the "Aunt Nora" my family refer to, though they said she died age 21, which I now know is actually the mother Helena O'Malley (age 28). Sad to know she died when son Edward was only 1yr old.
The last one is not quite a match because Edward was aged 30 in 1905 when he married Helena Tampler, so his birth year is approx 1875. Also his father is Charles Patrick O'Malley not "James" (as above).

I will keep searching though, as he has to be somewhere...

No Edward but another one

OMALEY Joseph John
Father Patrick  Mother Honora WALSH
At Melbourne  1867  Reg#16868

So the births are in Victoria that were registered - 1867, 1872,1874,1875, and 1876.

Not your family of interest.

Any of the birth registrations will give you the parents' ages and places of birth and marriage and names of previous issue living and deceased.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Info on Victorian certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

I will have to search again.

Cando

Thanks Cando. I have used the Victorian image download website before (that's how I got the marriage record for Edward and Helena). I want to save my pennies before I go buying up lots of images though, esp at $17.50 each.

You are both doing a fanatastic job for me though, and I am really grateful to have your help with this. Hopefully we can figure out where Charles Patrick O'Malley came from, and fill in those gaps.

Cheers, Janine

[cando]

The last one is not quite a match because Edward was aged 30 in 1905 when he married Helena Tampler, so his birth year is approx 1875. Also his father is Charles Patrick O'Malley not "James"

Janine

Helena, Honora and and the Edward who died in 1941 are buried at Fawkner Cemetery.
http://www.fcmp.com.au/
Helena and Honora are buried at the same location and Edward appears to be in a public grave - a number of unrelated people buried on the same day in the same grave.

There are only three deaths registered in Victoria between 1909 and 1985 for an Edward OMALLEY and two are eliminated by the parents named.

I think you should consider the death of Edward in 1941 with the correct mother named.  The information on death certs is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.  Perhaps Edward had fallen on hard times or there was no one to arrange his burial or he had no assets.   I wonder who was the informant. His son in was in New Zealand where he died in 1989.
Death
1989/44502
O'MALLEY   Edward Albert     Date of Birth 3 January 1910

Edward remarried -

Marriage
OMALLEY Edwd
LUCAS Belinda Elizabeth
1914  Reg#1697

and her death
OMALLEY Belinda
Father Lucas E   Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
30 years  at Heidelberg  1916  Reg#10503

Australian Electoral Roll
1909
OMALLEY Edward  384 Station Street, North Carlton  Tailor
OMALLEY Helena  384 Station Street, North Carlton  HD

1914
OMALLEY Edward 384 Station Street, North Carlton Tailor
OMALLEY Belinda Elizabeth 384 Station Street, North Carlton  HD

This could be Edward
1919
OMALLEY Edward  158 Cecil Street, North Fitzroy  Presser

Cheers
Cando

[Timetraveller77]

Hi Cando,
it would appear you are right about the Edward O'Malley buried in Fawkner, as I spoke to my mother in law about a second wife for him, and she recalled the step-mother of her father dying when her dad  was age 6 (1916).

This fits Belinda's death in 1916, bang on. And I see from the Electoral Roll listings and marriage record that it all fits nicely.
I would also concede you are right about Edward's death informant being "non-family". They clearly didn't know his real father, nor his real age.

From what little my mother in law recalls, he may well have been 'isolated' from his son and daughter. They both left home very young (Edward age 12 and Helena age 15) due to family issues, and clearly he had little or no money to pay for his own grave.

 Thank you very much for all this information. To be fair to my in-law, she knew very little of this branch of the family (being born and raised in NZ), and she is now into her 70's, so memory is sketchy at best.

Oddly though, all your research that I share with her is helping to jog her memory.....she even recalls seeing a photo of Helena Elizabeth O'Malley (nee Templer) in the possession of her mother! I am going to help her collect these on her next visit to NZ, and we can scan/save them to a CD for her.

Great work guys. This has been so rewarding for our family.
Many thanks, Janine

[cando]

It is marvellous to have an oral family history and stories of those who remember our ancestors, but the events need to be supported by certificates ie if you wish your family history to be accurate.  The circumstances of Edward's death can only be discovered by sighting the certificate.

All research is speculative until proven.  I'll get off my soap box now

Cheers
Cando

[Timetraveller77]

Hey Cando,
I couldn't agree more about following up with facts.

I had a think about Edward O'Malley (snr) and his mysterious birth date. Do you think he perhaps lied about his age and birthplace on his marriage cert??
His death age would have to be more accurate surely, as a Doctor would assess his age wouldn't they? If he WAS born 1864 as the cemtery/death records suggest he must've been born in TAS like his sisters, right?

Not that I had any luck finding his birth on TAS birth indexes.....hmm.

Might have to fork out for his death registration now.
Could be worth it just to know. Still curious about where his dad Charles Patrick O'Malley ended up tho.

Back to work...cheers Janine