Biggleswade marriage 1791

[trish1120]

I have amended my 1841 census posting as I forgot to put the occp of William down.
I look forward to finding out the Phipps Marriage details.

[Iron lady]

Thankyou for the extra info. Anything that makes researching easier is okay by me. Pity he went and spoilt it by bap 2 Thomases in 1828, no idea why. The  2nd with sister Jane just 5ths later. One assumes the 1st died and there is a plausible explanation.

Are these late baps do you think or could Jane and Thomas be twins. Thomas and Charlotte must of travelled to London fairly soon after their marriage.

Look forward to hearing more about William and Elizabeth  family

Margaret

[johnP-bedford]

From the 25/12/1841 Biggleswade marriage

Robert Phipps, bach, wheelwright, father Robert Phipps, clerk in coal wharf
Jane Franklin, spin, no occupation, father Richard Franklin, gent

Both were of full age, both from Biggleswade
witnesses; Samuel Fowlkes (perhaps) & Sarah Phipps

[johnP-bedford]

From the will of Elizabeth Marsom, widow, late of Bigglewade, died 3 May 1853, signed & dated 29 Aug 1849 & proved 30 May 1853

I give & bequeath unto Jane Phipps, wife of Robert Phipps now residing with me, the sum of £50 ; & unto my brother Richard Mantle in case he is still living at my decease the sum of £50 but if he shall be dead then I give the said £50 to my daughter Mary.

I also give to my nephews John Whiteman & Samuel Whiteman (children of my late sister Ann Whiteman) the sum of £50 each, & unto Jane Whiteman (widow of my late nephew Thomas Whiteman, deceased) the sum of £50 in case she is living and unmarried - but is she is dead or married I give the said £50 to the children of Thomas Whiteman.

I direct the above legacies to be paid within 3 months after my decease from the principal monies to which I am entitled under the settlement made upon or shortly after my marriage to my late husband William Marsom.

I then give & bequest the rest & residue of principal monies & all my effects to my nephew William Whiteman of Biggleswade, victualler & appoint him my sole executor of this will.

Now sort that out - now if her brother is Mantle how could she be Hine ? other than she was a widow when she married William Marsom in 1791 - but it does not say that

[johnP-bedford]

OK what about ....

On 1851 Elizabeth Marsom was aged 84 born Old Warden (b 1767)

Baptism of Elizabeth Mantel at Old Warden on 7 Sept 1766 to Samuel & Elizabeth Mantel, who also baptised a Richard Mantell there on 2 June 1765

[bedfordshire boy]

I agree John. There's also a marriage of Ann Mintle or Mantle to Samuel Whiteman at Old Warden in 1794, presumably her sister Ann referred to in the will. I wonder if the 1766 Elizabeth may have died as there's another in 1769.

Is the marriage of William Marsom to Elizabeth Norgin in Biggleswade in 1829 connected? An Elizabeth Norgin married Richard Franklin in Biggleswade in 1809, but this may be a complete red herring!

David

[johnP-bedford]

Brother Richard never got his £50 as a Richard Mantel has a death index in Jul-Sept qtr 1851 Bedford RD vol 6 page 17

On 1851 census he is in the Harpur Green Almshouses Bedford age 85 born Old Warden. He is with daughter Mary A born 1814 Bedford, other daughter ? possiible grand-daughter (daughter of first Mary A) Mary A born 1839 London & son William born 1818 Bedford

Richard age 75 & Mary age 25 are at the same Almshouses on 1841

[johnP-bedford]

OK interesting link..... as I have some Mantels in my tree

Richard Mantel may have married Sarah Woodroffe; & they had son Thomas Mantel 1804 who married Mary Haseldine; she being daughter of John Haseldine (poulterer of St Pauls Bedford) & Mary Partridge born 1781, daughter of my gt-gt-gt-grandfather Thomas Partridge.

[bedfordshire boy]

1. Elizabeth Mantle married John Cooper at Bedford St Peter on 25 Apr 1797
2. Elizabeth Cooper widow married William Norgin widower at Biggleswade on 24 July 1810 (per PR transcript)
3. Elizabeth Norgin married William Marson at Biggleswade on 22 Jan 1829

1 and 3 need checking for additional information. I haven't got the NBI at the moment, so can't check for possible burials of John Cooper* and William Norgin

I think that Elizabeth Hine was the first wife, and Elizabeth Mantle the second

David

* see next post