MOWAT Orphir, Orkney

[MacKenzie Clow]

Hello,

I'm doing our family tree and researching my MOWAT roots and any data that supports or verifies names, dates, and relationships I have for Orkney areas:

EDWARD MOWAT ... born 1786 ... ORPHIR, Orkney.

-that date (1786) because I was informed that he was on a passenger list of 1806, listed as age 19, as a labourer,  sailing on the KING GEORGE from STROMNESS to CHURCHILL.

I would like to verify that birth year and who his parents, and so on, were.

Thank you. I'll add more names as I sort them from disorganized jottings on disorganized papers from 3 big moves in as many years  

[runningbear]

hi there, i have just read you post and was wondering if you have had any more info that would help update this post?

Joe

[Spanish_Eyes]

You can try here and see what you can find but of all the Mowat's in Orkney I never saw one Edward born 1786 however there are others born on different dates.


http://tilley.dynodns.net:8000/modules.php?
op=modload&name=OPR&file=results


Spanish Eyes

[Spanish_Eyes]

This could be your Edward Mowat, his wife and a son Andrew. There is others listed and if you click on the Associated Images box you will see documents for scipt etc.

http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=Edward+Mowat&l=20&s9=RG15&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect4=AND&Sect5=FINDPEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=FIND&p=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.collectionscanada.ca%2Farchivianet%2F02010507_e.html&r=0&f=S

Spanish Eyes

[ripriprip]

The link in the above post is very interesting in that it totally updates what has happened to the children of the two Edward Mowat's who lived in the Red River area between 1833/1834 and onward.

I have done a lot of research on these Edward Mowat's. I am more interested in the one that was born in 1778(ish).

The Edward who was born in about 1786/7, did not have a son named Andrew. The Edward who was born in 1778/ish did have a son named Andrew.

There are many websites, and family trees that have mixed these two men's records into one man, and lately I have been on a mission to correct the misinformation.

For example. The book written by Donald Whyte, "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation" Volume II page 300 has mixed up the men. I have sent them records to show what they have done, hopefully if they put out an update they will correct the one record, and make one for each Edward Mowat.

Also the information on this page is incorrect.
http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/winnipegstreets/index.shtml
- It also combines the records of the two into one man. I have contacted them, but to date they have not replied.

The correct info is:

- that the Edward Mowat (aka Moad) born 1778(ish) is the Edward who died in 1862. He is the man who married Mary (who was an Indian) and had a son named Andrew.
Here is a link to his HBC service record:
http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/m/mowat_edward1778.pdf
(which includes family information)

- that the Edward Mowat born 1786(ish) died in about 1857, this man married Margaret, (a native) and did not have a son named Andrew.
Here is a link to his HBC service record:
http://www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/m/mowat_edward1786.pdf

I have noticed that a lot of family trees have combined the two into one man, stating that he married Mary and then Margaret (this is not the case) I have tried to contact them to correct their family trees, not too many have responded to date.

To add to my note, I will post what the two service records say for the two men, in case those links don't work in the future.

See my next post, I was told this record was too long for the system.

[ripriprip]

This is my page 2


Continued:



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1.
HBC record for Edward Mowat, born 1778/9(ish)

NAME:MOWAT, Edward PARISH:Stromness ENTERED SERVICE:1801 DATES:ca.1778-1862
(MOAD)
Appointments & Service
Outfit Year*: Position: Post: District: HBCA Reference:
*An Outfit year ran from 1 June to 31 May
1801 To Moose from Orkney on Prince of Wales C.1/751
1805-1806 Red Lake Albany B.3/d/111 fos.49, 54
1806-1807 Martin's Fall B.3/d/111 fos.46, 51
1809-1810 Martin's Fall Albany B.3/f/7, fos.2d-3
1810-1811 Steersman Martins Fall Albany Inland B.3/f/7 fos.2d-3
1811-1812 Steersman Albany Factory (Winter) Albany B.3/d/116 fo.4; 117 fo.3
1812 Home A.30/11
1814 Re-entered Service Albany Inland A.16/8
1814-1815 Steersman Osnaburgh (Winter) Albany A.30/14
1816-1817 Wepineban Albany A.16/8
1817-1818 Clerk Red Lake Albany A.16/8
1818-1819 Clerk Albany A.16/18
1819-1821 Clerk Red Lake /Big Lake Albany A.16/18
1822-1824 In Charge Cat Lake Albany B.135/k/1
1824-1827 Martin's Fall Albany B.123/a/22-24
1828-1830 Interpreter and Outpost Master Martin's Fall Albany B.123/a/26,27
1830-1832 Postmaster Osnaburgh Albany B.155/a/42,43
1832 Retired to Red River Settlement
Wife: Mary (married 17 Dec 1836, E.4/1b fo. 249)
Children: John, Andrew, Edward, Mary, Margaret, Isabella (all bapt 18 April 1833, E.4/1a fos. 99-99d), David (bapt 30 May 1836, E.4/1a fo. 128d), Thomas (bapt 24 Jan 1840, E.4/1a fo. 164d) (Extracts from Registers of Baptisms in Rupertsland – E.4/1a)
Listed in the Red River Census of 1833, 1835, 1838, 1840 and 1843
Search File: Mowat, Edward
Mowat, Edward (ca 1778-1862) (fl.1801-1832); CAW 1999/December

END

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2. HBC record for Edward Mowat born 1786(ish)

NAME:MOWAT, Edward PARISH:Orphir ENTERED SERVICE:1806 DATES:ca 1786-1857
(A.32/13 fo.185)
Appointments & Service
Outfit Year*: Position: Post: District: HBCA Reference:
*An Outfit year ran from 1 June to 31 May
1806 To Churchill from Orkneys on the King George C.1/417
1810-1813 Labourer Churchill B.42/f/5-7; A.30/11,12
1814-1816 Labourer Nelson House Churchill River A.30/14,15; B.141/a/7; B.141/a/8; A.16/12
1817-1819 Second Trader Nelson House New Churchill B.239/d/204; B.141/a/10; B.141/a/11; A.30/16; A.16/12
1819-1821 Second Trader Nelson House New Churchill B.239/d/210, 216a
1821-1823 New Churchill B.239/g/1,2
1823-1824 Northern Department B.239/g/3
1824-1825 Interpreter (In Charge) Nelson House Nelson River B.239/k/1 p.52; B.239/g/4
1825-1827 Interpreter Nelson River B.239/g/5,6
1827 Retires to Red River Colony B.239/g/6
1827-1828 Colonist; Re-engaged for service B.239/g/7
1828-1833 Fisherman Norway House B.239/g/8-12
1833 Freeman to Red River Settlement B.239/g/13; B.154/a/24
Contract for 1806 signed at Edward Mowatt (A.32/13 fo.185)
Wife: Margaret married 13 Dec. 1838 (Extracts from Registers of Marriages in Rupertsland, E.4/1b fo. 259d)
Children: John, Thomas, Robert, Edward, David, Jean, Margaret, Charlotte, Rebecca (all baptised 19 Sept. 1834 by Rev. William Cockran) (Extracts from Registers of Baptisms in Rupertsland, E.4/1a fos. 113d-114)
Adopted Daughter: Catherine Atkinson (bapt. 19 May 1846) (Extracts from Registers of Baptisms in Rupertsland, E.4/2 fo. 40)
Listed in the Census of the Red River Colony for 1835, 1838, 1840 and 1843
HBRS Vol I p. 459
Search File: Mowat, Edward
ARCHIVES
WINNIPEG
Mowat, Edward (ca 1786-1857) (fl. 1806-1833); CAW 99/December

END

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I hope I have helped, straighten out these Mowat's.

One other note. I am not related (so far) to either of these Edward Mowat's. The reason I was interested in them is because I was researching the James Mowat, who rode from Fort Sask to Calgary to get more NWMP in 1885. The man that James Mowat Elementary School is named after.
My research is so far pointing to the fact that James Mowat, (who did this) was possibly the son of Andrew Mowat, who was the son of Edward Mowat, b. 1778(ish) The man who married Mary.
I have located this family living just north of Edmonton in 1891 census.


One last note. I can only find an Edmonston Mowat born in 1778 ie
01/01/1779 MOUAT EDMONSTON, THOS. MOUAT/ M Unst /SHETLAND 011/ 0010 0007

I have not been able to find a birth for anything close to Edward Mowat, born abt 1786, but I will keep trying and it must be out there somewhere, probably severely misspelled.

I do have other Mowat records, indexed on my page at
http://www.tammymitchell.com/surnames/Mowat-BMD.html
and
http://www.tammymitchell.com/surnames/Mowat-BMD-2.html

Maybe they can assist someone.

Tammy


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