Jack and Marion FISHWICK

[cando]

Can't see any sign of her on our electoral rolls John is there with Hazel.

Annie

John does not appear until 1943 after he marries Hazel.  Noted earlier in the thread.

Cando

[aniph]

Sorry missed that

[casram]

Hi

I think I have found Marian's death - 1953 Dec qtr Rowley R 9b 297 aged 58.

Thanks to everyone for their help in tracking her.

Carolyn

[casram]

Marian also appears to have returned to Melbourne 3 Aug 1948 aboard the Orion

[judb]

Death Notice in Melbourne Sun for John FISHWICK only mentions Hazel and daughter Fay.

Judith

[hjnb]

I'm curious as  to how you connected that particular Mary Lucy (daughter of Aaron) to being Lucy (daughter of Samuel) who married Cyril Sexton in 1913 to Pauline/Marian (daughter of Samuel) who married Fishwick in 1918.

Was there a smoking gun somewhere along the line?  I ask because we have Mary Lucy in our tree and nothing beyond her birth and certainly no other reason to believe that these people are one in the same.

[casram]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat.

Mostly by a process of elimination. Mary Lucy disappears after the 1901 census. The 1911 census shows Lucy Mary Broadhurst aged 17 born Brierley Hill, servant in Nottingham.

Also I cannot find another Mary Lucy or Lucy Mary born around the correct time or in the right place. ( I have a database of around 15,000 births for the surname Broadhurst and its variants in the UK). It is not uncommon for people to switch their given names around. Also Samuel was her grandfather's name so I wonder if she used that rather than her father's name for some reason.

The connection between Lucy Mary and Pauline/Marian is easier to trace. Cyril Sexton cites Jack Fishwick in his  divorce proceedings against Lucy Mary. Pauline/Marian only appears when she marries Jack Fishwick for the first time, no birth or census records have been found for her.

In his army discharge papers Jack Tar gives his intended address as Brierley Hill, Shropshire and several ships passenger lists show Jack and /or Marian as living there.

Of course it is possible I am wrong but this is the only scenario that seems to fit all the facts.

Carolyn

[hjnb]

My Lucy Mary was born @ Priors Lee in Shropshire which is consistent with her siblings & her da.  From the tree info I have the tendency is to stay in Shropshire or go off to Yorkshire so her down to London marriage is out of pattern.

I did find a Lucy Mary in the 1911 census in Nottinghamshire b 1893 (near enough) which might connect her up with a Samuel b 1882 as her father (1891 census) in other words, Fishwick's paramour might not be Aaron's darling daughter Lucy.

I've only just come back into the great grand genealogy chase having finally found Broadhursts who are actually clearly my kin so I am eager to help my new connections with my direct info and also my research skills.

Brierley Hill, was in Staffs, not Shropshire back then (now West Midlands) and I can't connect that location for family for her and he was from Oz so I don't see your process of elimination.  My process says that your perhaps Lucy=>Marian/Pauline really might be the child of Samuel Broadhurst from Nottinghamshire and not from my line/tree at all.

Like you, I could be wrong & look forward to puzzling it through but I'm not convinced that your conclusion fits the facts or that my information for Aaron's Lucy is correct. 

Regardless of how our trees work out, the story of Jack & Marian is a lovely little walk on the rogue's gallery of genealogy & glimpsing into the not so private lives of our ancestors.

[casram]

As I said I could be wrong but Mary Lucy daughter of Aaron is the only one I can find apart from a Mary Lucy born in London in 1799 and clearly she is not the one I'm looking for. I can find no births for a Lucy Mary anywhere, anytime.

Looking at the 1901 census I can again only find the one Mary Lucy or Lucy Mary. The only Mary born in Nottinghamshire in that census is the daughter of John and there are no Lucy's.

Again I cannot find a marriage or death for Mary Lucy born 1894.

Re Samuel born 1882 I don't see how he could be her father as he would have been 12 when she was born.

However if you could prove me wrong it would help me add to my Broadhurst knowledge.

as you say - the hunt goes on.

Carolyn