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Offline Tracey Joy Kelly

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Vic death look up please
« on: Friday 23 April 10 08:36 BST (UK) »
have modified today 28th September 2010

I am looking for

Eliza Jane Dohertys death if at all possible.  she lived in Victoria with her husband John Doherty
she was born in 1971 in England and migrated to australia in 1877.  she married her husband John in 1890 and she had 2 sons.

I am wondering when she died. if u could please give me a date and where she was buried i would appreciate it thank u :)


Eliza jane's whole name was Elizabeth Jane Doherty  nee Wheatley.




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James Charles John Barham Wheatley married Ellen Jane Parkin (Eleanor Jane Parkin) in 21st February 1875 at St Olave, Southwark Surrey.

(Note; James was the black sheep of the family. Apparently he stole his brother, William’s wife/fiancé and married her.  Their two daughters Eliza and Florence were born before James and Ellen were married. (On their birth records their surnames are mentioned as being Parkin, on every other record their surnames are known as Wheatley.)

Eliza Jane Wheatley (Elizabeth Jane Parkin) was born 1871 in Kensington
Florence Emily Parkin was born in 1873 in Poplar

James was known as a remittance man. He was paid by his family to migrate to Australia with his family.  They left Plymouth on the 12th of January 1877 on the British Enterprise and they arrived in South Australia on the 4th April 1877. James was a bricklayer.

James and Ellen Jane had at least 14 children that can be found recorded throughout history.
The first being the girls that were born in England.
Eliza Jane born in 1871 Kensington               alive at her mother’s death 1890
Florence Emily born in Poplar                         alive at her mother’s death 1890
James and Ellen lived in Adelaide, South Australia, where they had:
Charles   born 24 December 1877 and died 2 April 1878.   Died 4 months old
Ellen       born  22 January 1879 and died 29 January 1879 Died 7 days old
James, Ellen and family then moved to New South Wales where they had
Charles William Barham born in 1881               alive at his mother’s death 1890
 Maud born 1882 and died 25 May 1882            3 months old
Ellen born 1882 and died 24 March 1882          3 weeks old
(Ellen and Maud were twins)
Henry G born in 1883 and died 1883
James, Ellen and family then moved to Prahran, Victoria
Henry John Barham born 1884 and died 24 March 1885 Died 8 months old
Ellen Rosina born 1886 and died 02 September 1886 Died 6 months
Ellen Rosina born 1887                                      alive at her mother’s death 1890
Henry John born 1889                                        alive at his mother’s death 1890

There are at least 2 more children that are not accounted for but have been recorded on birth or death certificates.

These are Charles and Flora. (possibly twins born in South Australia??)

Ellen Jane Wheatley died 27th December 1890 at the age of 36, She died from exhaustion.
The Children were brought up by a Scots women. (Fostered Out)
James came to Western Australia and died 11 December 1930 in Victoria Park. Western Australia

is there anything that i missed? if so let me know and i will find it and put it on.

Thank u :)

















                               
Barham/Burram, Brimson, Parkin, Thomas, Underwood, Waldock, Ward, Wheatley,
I am currently researching these names, if you have any information or think you may be linked, please email me I would love to hear from you!

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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 April 10 08:54 BST (UK) »
Here is the birth of their first Charles you are missing:

WHEATLEY Charles William Barham b. 24/12/1877
Place: Adelaide, District: Ade, Reg: 193/422
Father: James Charles John WHEATLEY
Mother: Ellen Jane PARKIN


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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 April 10 09:03 BST (UK) »
Thank you Merlin i really appreciate it!
Its been so hard to try and find these.
Barham/Burram, Brimson, Parkin, Thomas, Underwood, Waldock, Ward, Wheatley,
I am currently researching these names, if you have any information or think you may be linked, please email me I would love to hear from you!

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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 April 10 09:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Tracey,

Just had a quick look at the Australian Electoral Rolls 1903- 1954.

There is a Charles William Barham in Coolgardie, Western Australia in 1906 and 1910. Then in 1919 and 1925 he is in Kennedy, Queensland and then in 1942 and 1954 he is in Maribyrnong, Victoria.

Forgot to mention that he could have possibly dropped Wheatley as his surname and just used Barham instead.

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Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 April 10 09:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Lyne  thank u for taking the time to look for me. I am astounded. I was told that "Uncle Charlie" went off to war and didnt come back.. i just assumed that he died over there.  (my grandmother told me that.

I will definately look into it.

Thank u for looking :)
Barham/Burram, Brimson, Parkin, Thomas, Underwood, Waldock, Ward, Wheatley,
I am currently researching these names, if you have any information or think you may be linked, please email me I would love to hear from you!

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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 April 10 09:18 BST (UK) »

Hi Tracey,

You are welcome as I said it is a possibility he could have stopped using Wheatley as his surname and just used Barham instead, but on the other hand he may have as you said died over there or he might have moved to another country.

Regards
Lyne
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland

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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 April 10 10:08 BST (UK) »

Tracey,

There is a family tree on another site that has Florence Wheatley born 1877 South Australia, I dont know whether its your tree or not but just incase it isnt the tree is the Fitz-Gerald Family tree.

Just a quick update also found Florence Wheatley on another site where someone has a tree stating that Florence was born in Kooringa, Burra, South Australia 1877.
Regards
Lyne
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland

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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 April 10 10:11 BST (UK) »
hi Lyne

i didnt know about that family tree.. how can i find it?
I am still new to RootsChat.com

many thanks
Tracey
Barham/Burram, Brimson, Parkin, Thomas, Underwood, Waldock, Ward, Wheatley,
I am currently researching these names, if you have any information or think you may be linked, please email me I would love to hear from you!

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Re: Descendants of James Charles John Barham Wheatley and Ellen Jane Wheatley
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 April 10 10:19 BST (UK) »

Hi Tracey,

The first tree is on Ancestry which is site you have to pay to look at some information and its alot of money.

The second tree is on Genes Reunited which costs about £10 for 6 months to have contact with people and look at thier trees, not sure what the amount is in Australia for GRU.

If you want I can contact the person on GRU for you and ask relevant questions.
Regards
Lyne
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland