finding a birth in manchester

[geoanngewood]

hello  does any one know how to find a birth its early 1837 manchester i have found a christening of a john cooper 1 3 1837 his dad was george  and mother elizabeth i cannot find john in 1841 census in 1851 i found one in eyam with his aunt and uncle he was christened at manchester catherdrall i found a george cooper wed to elizabeth holt prestwich lanc on 3 sept 1832 this could be his parents  i have looked every were but not found anything ann wood

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Do you have any document (eg marriage cert) that confirms his fathers name was George   

[geoanngewood]

hello carole yes we have his mc its sayes his dad was a grocer he was wed in 1872 in derbshire i think i will have to dig his mc out

[Laurina]

Take a look at the witnesses names on the mc - might be family members which could be helpful too.

Laurina

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

This looks like the family of George and Elizabeth (nee HOLT) COOPER in 1841 and 1851,


1841  HO107/580/12  f.26  p.44&45  Manchester
Township: Chorlton Upon Medlock
Oxford Street

George  COOPER    30    Corn Dealer    N
Elizabeth    "         30                       N
William       "           5                       Y
Lydia         "           3                       Y
Sarah        "           1                       Y
Elizabeth    "           1month               Y
George       "         15    M.S.             N
Eliza HOLT            14    F.S.              N



1851 Census of Chorlton-Upon-Medlock
HO107/2220   Civil Parish Manchester
24 Oxford Street

COOPER
George       Head    45    Corn Dealer    Derbyshire
Elizabeth     Wife    40                       Cheadle Cheshire
William         Son    15    At Home        Manchester Lancashire
Lydia          Daur    13    At Home        Chorlton Lancashire
Sarah Ann   Daur    11    Scholar         Chorlton Lancashire
Martha        Daur     6    Scholar         Chorlton Lancashire
George Henry  Son   5    Scholar          Chorlton Lancashire


and here is John in 1841, with the same couple who are his Uncle and Aunt in 1851,


1841  HO107/184/9  f.14  p.23  Eyam, Derbyshire     
 
William COOPER   40    Farmer    Yes
Sarah        "       30                  No 
John         "         4                  Yes

I wonder if Sarah and John's birthplaces have been confused as in 1851 Sarah is born on Derbyshire and John in Lancashire. 




The IGI has these baptisms which could show that George and William were brothers,
   
WILLIAM COOPER
Christening:  08 MAR 1795   Eyam, Derbyshire

George COOPER
Christening:  14 JUL 1805   Eyam, Derbyshire
 
both with, 
Father:  WILLIAM COOPER   
Mother:  MARTHA 


Regards
Daisy

[Laurina]

Looks like Sarah was a sister too. . .

Sarah Cooper

Christening:  30 Sep 1800   Eyam, Derbyshire
 
parents are the same 
Father:  WILLIAM COOPER   
Mother:  MARTHA

1851 Census HO107   2150   460   10

Names transcribed incorrectly
William Cooker 51 Head - Eyam - farmer of 24 acres, no labourers
Sarah Cooker 49 Sister - Eyam - farmer's sister
John Coaker 13 Nephew - Manchester, Lancashire - Scholar


 

The IGI has these baptisms which could show that George and William were brothers,
   
WILLIAM COOPER
Christening:  08 MAR 1795   Eyam, Derbyshire

George COOPER
Christening:  14 JUL 1805   Eyam, Derbyshire
 
both with, 
Father:  WILLIAM COOPER   
Mother:  MARTHA 


Regards
Daisy

Laurina

[Laurina]

Meet the family . . . all on IGI

ABRAHAM COOPER - Chr. 02 SEP 1792 Eyam, Derby
 
BETTY SKIDMORE COOPER - Chr. 06 NOV 1808 Eyam, Derby
 
SARAH COOPER - Chr. 30 SEP 1800 Eyam, Derby
 
JOSEPH COOPER - Chr. 05 SEP 1802 Eyam, Derby
 
GEORGE COOPER - Chr. 14 JUL 1805 Eyam, Derby
 
WILLIAM COOPER - Chr. 08 MAR 1795 Eyam, Derby
 
JOHN COOPER - Chr. 11 NOV 1798 Eyam, Derby


Marriage

William Cooper to Martha Skidmore
11 SEP 1791   Eyam, Derby

[dawnsh]

Hi Ann

Back to your original request, you are looking for a birth that took place before the start of civil registration on 1st July 1837, so there won't be an official entry in the GRO birth index and therefore no birth certificate.

I'm afraid you'll have to 'make do' with the baptism, it looks like the family have found their way onto the IGI but no birth dates have been recorded which is often the case. You should of course have a look at the original baptism registers though just to make sure.

Dawn

[geoanngewood]

hello to every one who give me imfo many thanks to you all I have allready followed eyam family it was just my gt gt grandad john cooper who I had not known abt I could never find in 1841 or 1851 all though I thought it gould be him in 1841 but why would they let a 4 yr old live in derbyshire without his parents thats what got me thinking .I now  have something to have a look for after hitting so many brick walls I could be up and running again many thank you to you all ann wood