Author Topic: cartwright and Howell families in Fermanagh  (Read 7734 times)

Offline Saorog

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Re: cartwright and Howell families in Fermanagh
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 September 08 10:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Stuart,

Wow, you have good data. It is early here in Ireland, and I am supposed to be finishing my PhD, but instead I'm doing something much more interesting. I have very similar information about the Howells of Rath/Clonmore as you do, but I can trace (with evidence) only to 1859. I know it is very likely that any Richard Howell in the area is probably a relation, it is a small rural area, and the name is too particular to be a coincidence. My father's uncles (now in their 80s) have names like Richard, William & Patrick too. Howell in general though, although not particularly common, is not especially rare, there are many Howell families in Cork and elsewhere (a few hundred miles away from Clonmore) so I'm concentrating on the Clonmore/Louth ones. The fact that Mary Anne married a Protestant from another county (she would have been a Protestant too) suggests an arranged marriage. This was the norm for the time, especially in land owning Protestant families, or so I'm told. It might have been difficult for them to meet someone from that far away in those days, unless some element of planning was involved! I will try the Louth library's collection of Historical Journals, these are not online and so may yield something. I will also head to the National Archives in a few weeks to continue digging. If I could connect the Catholic Richard Howell to the Protestant Richard Howell it would be a major breakthrough for me.

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Stephen

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Re: cartwright and Howell families in Fermanagh
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 September 08 10:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Stephen,

That is another connection - I have just submitted my PhD ....more on that another time. Firm evidence linking Mary Anne as daughter to this Richard Howell is lacking of course. What we have are some threads together. I need to check for myself, but I am told reliably that Mary Anne's death certificate here in NZ identifies her father as Richard Howell and that he was a farmer. She was born in Co. Louth in 1811 and married around 1829. As I say, I need to see that with my own eyes.

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Stuart

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Re: cartwright and Howell families in Fermanagh
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 September 08 10:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Stuart,

Well, I've just spoken with the fellow who has all the CoI records for that parish in a library in Dublin, I have never visited it myself but will be soon. I will try to find any Howells in Clonmore/Rath in that time frame and report back. Back to computational linguistics research for me now :(

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Stephen