Author Topic: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish  (Read 11168 times)

Offline OneBigFamily

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 484
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 08:34 BST (UK) »
Then again, I could be wrong.... :(

I just found another marriage of a Philip Kensett to a Jane.

The Philip who was bro in law to James Botting at the time James Botting made his will (1810) is more likely to be the Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner...

Philip Kensett, marriage to Jane Turner - 09 SEP 1804   Billingshurst, Sussex, England (IGI extracted record).

I thought I was stretching the years a bit...

Whether they were one and the same Philip Kensett though, I wouldn't be able to tell as yet, and thinking about it the James Bottings were probably not the same... not if James made his will in 1810.



Have now just found:

A2A - Philip misdescribed as 'Phipip':

Conveyance  SAS-OR/172  15 Dec 1846
These documents are held at West Sussex Record Office
Contents:
By Phipip Kensett, by direction of Elizabeth Botting, widow, James Botting and Elizabeth Burtenshaw, who ratify and confirm, to William Borrer junr. with William Beeching and William Ede as parties of the 3rd. part, - for £575 - of a piece of land containing ½ acre in Cowfold And Assignment by the said William Beeching and William Ede of the Mortgage of 24 Jun 1818 (SAS-OR/161) to Edward Cornford in trust for William Borrer, to attend and wait upon the inheritance of the freehold

Would this indicate Philip Kensett who married Jane Turner was the one who was alive in 1846? ???  ???
Dancy Dancey Crowter Binney Outred Cowdry Bowmer Kensett Alderton Akers Killick

Offline omega 1

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,493
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 08:55 BST (UK) »
Hi

Hope this info will help.
From the SMI

11th July 1786 at Shipley

James Botting married Elizabeth Kensett.He was from Hurstpierpoint,she OTP (Lic).

Jane Rhodes  Baptised 10th July 1803 at Shipley.Mum & Dad Richard & Hannah.

Theres a Philip Kensett baptised at Shipley 20th Jan 1808 but does`nt give Mum & Dads name.

Shipley St Mary De Haura

Philip Kensett ,baptised 3rd Feb 1833,Mum & Dad Philip & Jane.States Philip a farmer.

Jane Kensett,baptised 27th Aug 1841.Mum & Dad Philip & Jane.Philip now a labourer.

This is from a data base i have access to.

Unless the SMI is in complete ,there is only the marriage of Philip marrying a Jane & that was Jane Rhodes.

Omega












































































































































Shipley St Mary De Haura.

Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

Offline omega 1

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,493
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 09:25 BST (UK) »
OOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSS :D

Think i had a funny 5 mins on last post,loads of empty space :-[

Anyway,could be barking up the wrong tree,but here goes.

On the 1851 census

Kensett Philip married born 1769
              Jane,wife,      ""      1814

              James,son born 1838
              Jane,daughter,born 1842
              Reuben,born 1848

All born Shipley,living Marland,Itchingfield,New Shoreham.

Now off to find Philips baptism

Omega
Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

Offline omega 1

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,493
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 09:51 BST (UK) »
Hi

Philip`s Baptisum

4th Aug 1769 at Shipley.Mum & Dad Philip & Ann

Omega
Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know


Offline omega 1

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,493
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 13:13 BST (UK) »
This is more likely to be Jane`s baptisum

Jane Rhodes

8th Aug 1813.Mum & Dad William & Jane.Dad Labourer.

Omega
Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

Offline OneBigFamily

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 484
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 19:43 BST (UK) »
This is more likely to be Jane`s baptisum

Jane Rhodes

8th Aug 1813.Mum & Dad William & Jane.Dad Labourer.

Omega

Was this at Shipley?
Dancy Dancey Crowter Binney Outred Cowdry Bowmer Kensett Alderton Akers Killick

Offline Solway

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 20:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Omega & OneBigFamily,
I am absolutely gobsmacked at the mass of information you have provided me on the Kensett family, and their marriages, since my initial 'sketchy' posting exactly one week ago today!!  I am also full of admiration for the time you have taken to be precise in all aspects of detail in your postings and it seems all that is left for me is to simply stitch the information together to reach as far back as 1769 and possibly '62!!
Tremendous sleuthing and very many thanks for giving-up your valuable time on my behalf.
PS.... I thought I had posted a similar appreciation earlier tonight but I am at a loss to know where it went!  Anyway, if you eventually receive it, all to the good.
Thank you and I will, in time, post my effort on my interpretation of your information for
comment, if I may.
Henry. Dalrymple. Ross. Rogerson. Bruty. Clark.

Offline OneBigFamily

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 484
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 21:11 BST (UK) »
You are welcome :)

I'm going to post Philip's resume in a minute but have been a bit side tracked having spotted the Agate surname as the surname of Jane Rhodes mother.

My Philip Kensett (from my extended tree, who married a Mildred) had a brother William (born abt 1757) who corresponded with a Thomas Agate, a senior member of the Agate family who had emigrated to Sparta in the States.

From The Story of the Free Christian Church Horsham by Emily Kensett, on page 101 there is a reference to a letter from Thomas Agate [of Sparta, USA] in 1831, to "Mr Wm Kensett, Slaugham, nr Horsham, Old England" where he wrote ... "I was sorry to hear of the death of your wife...".  (William's wife Mary died in 1827, so their correspondence to each other could have been sparce).

I was just drifting off wondering if Jane Agate, wife of William Rhodes, (parents of Jane Rhodes) was related to Thomas Agate....
Dancy Dancey Crowter Binney Outred Cowdry Bowmer Kensett Alderton Akers Killick

Offline OneBigFamily

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 484
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kinsett/Kensett & Rhodes of Shipley Parish
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 18 May 10 21:25 BST (UK) »
SUMMING UP WHAT WE HAVE FOR PHILIP KENSETT WHO MARRIED JANE RHODES

Marriage in Cowfold, Sussex, on 28 Nov 1758, of a couple Philip Kensett and Ann Peirce
(IGI extracted record Church of England. Parish Church of Cowfold, Sussex)

They had at least one child - Philip:
Philip's Baptism: (from Omega) 4th Aug 1769 at Shipley. Mum & Dad Philip & Ann

63 yrs unaccounted for.  ( I cant believe he didnt marry in this time  ???)

Philip marries, aged 63 approximately, as 'bachelor':

Philip's Marriage: (from Omega) 25th Sept 1832 at Shipley; Jane Rhodes, Spinster to Philip Kensett, Bachelor, Both of this parish.  Witnesses, Elizabeth Ann Burtinshaw & James Botting.
   [ Wife Jane's baptism: Jane Rhodes baptised 8 August 1813,
     Mum & Dad William & Jane. Dad Labourer.  (From Omega) ]

1841 at Parson's Brook Shipley, Sussex 
 Members of same household:
 (all born in Sussex, ages rounded)
 Philip Kinsett born abt 1770 as aged 70, Ag Lab
 Jane Kinsett abt 1810 as aged 30, Wife
 Philip Kinsett abt 1832 as aged 8 
 James Kinsett abt 1837 as aged 3

1851 at Marland, Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex  (next to Marland Bridge)
 (next door to a Henry Knight, cleaver born in Slinfold, his wife Hannah,
 born in West Chiltington and their children, all but one born in Itchingfield)
 Phillip Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1768 as aged 82, Married, Head of household, Pauper-Ag Lab
 Jane Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1811 as aged 39, Wife
 James Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1836 as aged 13, Son
 Jane Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1842 as aged 8, Daughter
 Reuben Kensett born in Shipley, Sussex, abt 1847 as aged 3, Son

Presumed death reg for Philip Kensett; 1854, Oct-Nov-Dec, Horsham, W Sussex, 2b 149

1861 at Trout in Shipley, Horsham, Sussex
 Jane Kensett born abt 1812 Shipley, Sussex, as aged 48, Head, Widowed, Washerwoman
 William Rhodes born abt 1847 West Grinstead, Sussex, as aged 13, Nephew, Unmarried, Ag Lab-Plough boy

1871 in Barns Green, Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex
(next door to Ruben Kensett)
Walter Snatchfold 38, Ag Labourer, Unmarried
Jane Kensett 57, Widowed, 57
William Etheridge 26, Lodger, Unmarried, Ag Lab

1872 Jane 'Kensett' married Walter Snashfold in Horsham, July-Aug-Sep, 2b 413

1881 at Sutton Runtley Farm in Woking, Guildford, Surrey 
 Walter Snatchfold aged 47 so born abt 1833 Chilton, Sussex, Head, Married, Working Foreman Ag Lab
 Jane Snatchfold aged 67 so born abt 1813 Shipley, Sussex, Wife, Wife Of Working Foreman Ag Lab
 Richard Snatchfold aged 53 so born abt 1827 Chilton, Sussex, Boarder

1891 at Rats Castle in Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex
 Walter Snatchfold aged 56 so born abt 1834 West Chiltington, Sussex, Head, Ag Labour-Carter, Married
 Jane Snatchfold aged 76 so born abt 1814 Shipley, Sussex, Wife, Married

1901 Itchingfield, Horsham, Sussex 
 Walter Snashfold aged 67 so born abt 1833 West Chiltington, Sussex, Head, General Labourer
 Jane Snashfold aged 87 so born abt 1813 Shipley, Sussex, Wife

(Walter incidentally was found in Itchingfield in 1861 with Reuben Kensett)

Death of Jane Snashfold, registered in Horsham, W Sussex, Oct-Nov-Dec 1901, aged 88, Vol 2b, Page 201
Dancy Dancey Crowter Binney Outred Cowdry Bowmer Kensett Alderton Akers Killick