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Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« on: Sunday 16 May 10 11:02 BST (UK) »
Have just found a Will (written Nov.1911) for William Gilmour, Belfast which mentions 2 grand-daughters Matilda Roberts and Kathleen Roberts of Brooklyn U.S.A. After searching Irish indexes for possible parents I found a marriage for Margaret Gilmour and William Roberts (William Gilmour did have a daughter Margaret Jane born 11 Sept.1865). Then found 2 possible births in Belfast: Matilda Roberts 1888 and Kathleen Jane Anderson 1890.

Next found passenger list which seems to match the family: 1 June 1892 "Siberian" arrived N.Y. from Moville, Ireland: William Roberts 26 clerk, Mrs. Roberts 24 wife, Tillie Roberts 3 child, Kathleen Robert 1 1/2 child.

1900 census confirms I have the correct family- Manor Rd., Richmond, N.Y. (Staten Island):
William Roberts, June 1865, Ire., to US 1892 Na, Handkerchief Mfg.
Margrite Roberts, Sept.1870*, England*, m.12 yrs 2 ch./2 living
Tillie Roberts, July 1889, N.Y.*
Catheleen Roberts, June 1891, N.Y.*
brother-in-law John Gilmor, Mar.1868, Ire., single, to US 1899 alien, laborer
+ 2 servants
* Margaret's year of birth and place are wrong, also, children born in Ireland not N.Y.
Margaret's brother Anthony Gilmour was superintendent of Handkerchief factory in Staten Island so William Roberts was possibly working in the same place (Anthony lived at Manor Rd., New Brighton- I've found him and family in U.S. census records).

Since the 2 girls were alive in 1911 they should be listed in 1910 census but I've not been able to spot them there (or in later ones although they could have married after 1911). Have also searched Italian Genealogy website for possible marriages and deaths without seeing anything that looks likely.

Would appreciate if anyone can find them in 1910 census or any other information on the family.
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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 May 10 11:30 BST (UK) »
hi kathleen is living with sister tilla roberts in 1920 census at Manhattan Assembly District 23, New York, New York aged 27 birthplace ireland year of immigration 1893

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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 May 10 11:35 BST (UK) »
tillas year of immigration says 1892/3

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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 May 10 11:50 BST (UK) »
Could be a possible marriage for Tillie in Manhattan - 8 Sept 1931 to Emerson W Waters.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08oz/

Or Kathleen Roberts to Godfried G Clark - Manhattan 1937  ???

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08p0/
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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 May 10 12:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you for finding them in 1920 census, Kerry. Wonder if parents died before 1920 and that's why the sisters are living together. Margaret Roberts isn't mentioned in her father's Will so suppose she and William could even have died between 1900 census and Nov.1911.
Just found the Kathleen A. Roberts marriage, dettori28- after Kerry found the girls in Manahttan in 1920 I went back for another look at N.Y. records. Not sure about Matilda R. (haven't found a middle name for her yet).
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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 May 10 15:22 BST (UK) »
Have just found newspaper announcement from Belfast Newsletter that says William Roberts of Belfast married Maggie Gilmour of Belfast at Townsend Street Presbyterian Church, Belfast (no date given but paper is 13 Sept.1887). Margaret's listed as second surviving daughter- I know there was an older sister Mary but there must be another daughter of William's born before 1864!
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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 May 10 16:59 BST (UK) »
john gilmor is mistranscribed it should be john elmer according to the 1900 census

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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 May 10 17:23 BST (UK) »
I've re-checked 1900 census (on LDS Pilot site) and it is clearly John Gilmor (should actually be Gilmour) born Mch 1868- Margaret Roberts' brother John Gilmour was born 20 March 1867.
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Re: Matilda and Kathleen Roberts, N.Y.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 16 May 10 21:05 BST (UK) »
Yes, the image does say John Gilmor, someone must have put an alteration on which gives John Elmer as an alternative  ???
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