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Lost TREMBATH family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« on: Monday 07 June 10 13:04 BST (UK) »
I have Grace b1859, Elizabeth Edwards b1863 and William b1865 with their mother Grace (nee Hicks) Trembath in 1881
RG11/2349 F84 P20 at Trewellard.

James Trembath b1856 is married to Elizabeth Jane Maddern  13/12/1877
1881 RG11/2349 F84 P19  ...he is working abroad, wife and son are at home.

Grace Trembath married Thomas Warren 30/07/1881 at Pendeen

Elizabeth Edwards Trembath is on the 1891  RG12/1860 F70 P8, she married 28/10/ 1883 to Justinian Kavern Hosken/Hoskings/Hoskin.
They had William James 1886, Justinian 1888 and Grace Warren Hosking
BAP 10/12/1890. Pendeen.

I don't know who William married.

Then they all dis-appear and I can't find them on the Passenger Lists ???

If anyone can help I would appreciate it...they have to be there somewhere.

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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAM to USA:Walter H Davies 1886.Thomas J 1852
PEMBROKE: Bradnum.Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE:Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum.Cork.Helsdon 3 in Australia, Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON:Mallett. Acford, Kidston.Short.Lover.Edwards,Telford.Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL:Eddy.Thomas Maddern.Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten,Curtis.
Cornwall to USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney

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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #1 on: Monday 07 June 10 13:29 BST (UK) »
Hello There.....

I have managed to find this family, which I am sure are your Elizabeth and Justinian's

8 Halifax Terrace,Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire.

Mary Hosken / head / widow / age 34 / born Cornwall
William J Hosken / son / age 17 / Coal Hewer / born Cornwall
Justinian Hosken / son / age 12 / born Cornwall
Grace W Hosken / daughter / age 9 / born Cornwall

Can't understand why Elizabeth was Mary. They are still in Wales in 1911.

Will see if I can find the rest of the family

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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 June 10 13:52 BST (UK) »
Hi JeannieR...your a gem :D

I am ashamed to say that I never thought of searching the Welsh records :-[

I will go along now and see if any of the others are  there.....how odd named as Mary ???

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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAM to USA:Walter H Davies 1886.Thomas J 1852
PEMBROKE: Bradnum.Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE:Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum.Cork.Helsdon 3 in Australia, Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON:Mallett. Acford, Kidston.Short.Lover.Edwards,Telford.Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL:Eddy.Thomas Maddern.Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten,Curtis.
Cornwall to USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney

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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 June 10 14:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Jeaniie,

It is them in the 1911 ;D and the mother is back to being named as Elizabeth, also the children have been given their right ages.
Eldest son is a bonus as he has a child aged ten who was born in Cardiff...that's another little twig ;)

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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAM to USA:Walter H Davies 1886.Thomas J 1852
PEMBROKE: Bradnum.Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE:Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum.Cork.Helsdon 3 in Australia, Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON:Mallett. Acford, Kidston.Short.Lover.Edwards,Telford.Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL:Eddy.Thomas Maddern.Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten,Curtis.
Cornwall to USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney


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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 June 10 16:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Ambers.....

William J Hosken, married Ann Bosanko in June qtr......

The poor girl must have died, after giving birth to Grace. She was only 18...

I have been looking for Justinians death with no joy I am afraid......

Could this be James Trembath, with a new wife ?

James TRENBATH / head / age 34 / Tin Miner / born St Just
Mary E Trenbath / wife / age 29 / born St Just
WILLIAM J TRENBATH / son / age 12 / born St Just
Alice Trenbath / daughter / age under 1 month / born St Just

Cottage, Carnyorth Row , St Just . Carnyforth Cornwall


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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #5 on: Monday 07 June 10 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hi JeannieR,

Many thanks, the poor young girl :'(

There was another child Arther ? N J A Hosken born 1901, I wonder if she/they had him before marriage. ???
I can't find the BMD with all those initials.
I can't see Justinians death either between 1891-1901
T
hat could well be James re-married I will check out COPR's

I think Grace Trembath married to Thomas Warren died because I have seen two family members name their daughters  Grace Warren after her ,normally they don't include the married surname

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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAM to USA:Walter H Davies 1886.Thomas J 1852
PEMBROKE: Bradnum.Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE:Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum.Cork.Helsdon 3 in Australia, Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON:Mallett. Acford, Kidston.Short.Lover.Edwards,Telford.Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL:Eddy.Thomas Maddern.Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten,Curtis.
Cornwall to USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney

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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #6 on: Monday 07 June 10 18:11 BST (UK) »
Ambers.......

Thought this info may save, or cause you a headache !

I too looked for the birth of Arthur N F Hosken or Bosanko....No trace of a birth registration,

But his death registration (1973 , Pontypridd ) gives his d.o.b as 7th March 1901...before census for that year..... Arthur Nelson F Hosken....

Ann Bosanko appears on the census living with a sister.

BUT Arthur N F ARNOLD is 1 month old, and living with his father,  John Edward Arnold a 27 year widower , with two children . His wife Ellen Louisa Arnold , must also have died in childbirth, age 27 years. Ellen Louisa's maiden name was Ferris.

RG13 piece 4978 folio 34 page 59
6, Norman Street, Roath Cardiff

I THINK I have found William Trembath in 1891 living with a Aunt Jane Trembath and I may have him 1901. Had unexpected visitors this afternoon, and had to turn off PC. If  you haven't found ,him let me know.

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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 June 10 19:11 BST (UK) »
Hi JeannieR,

My gosh, what a complicated story, but it all fits....thank you for sorting them out for me.

Looks like a lot of the Trembath wives died in childbirth.

Which aunt Jane did you find William b1865 living with please?.

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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAM to USA:Walter H Davies 1886.Thomas J 1852
PEMBROKE: Bradnum.Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE:Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum.Cork.Helsdon 3 in Australia, Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON:Mallett. Acford, Kidston.Short.Lover.Edwards,Telford.Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL:Eddy.Thomas Maddern.Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten,Curtis.
Cornwall to USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney

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Re: Lost Trembath family:James,Grace, Elizabeth &William
« Reply #8 on: Monday 07 June 10 19:21 BST (UK) »
I found Arthur Nelson F Arnold born 1901 Cardiff 2qtr., which fits with the 1901 census.

So he has taken the Hosken surname after his mother Ann dies, I think :-\

Ambers
GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAM to USA:Walter H Davies 1886.Thomas J 1852
PEMBROKE: Bradnum.Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE:Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum.Cork.Helsdon 3 in Australia, Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON:Mallett. Acford, Kidston.Short.Lover.Edwards,Telford.Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL:Eddy.Thomas Maddern.Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten,Curtis.
Cornwall to USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney