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Groom and Gardener c. 1881
« on: Monday 28 March 05 23:10 BST (UK) »
Hi,
My GGGrandfather was a Groom and a Gardener on my GGrandmother's birth certificate, and I just wondered if anyone knew whether this would involve working for the upper classes? He started off as a Dray Boy on the 1871 census, was a Carrier in 1880, then a Groom and a Gardener in 1881, and a Groom and Coachman in 1891.
Does anyone know what these jobs would have involved? He lived in Nottingham.
Thanks for your time.
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Re: Groom and Gardener c. 1881
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 March 05 23:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Burto

It could well mean he was working for the upper classes.

A Groom would look after horses and a Coachman would drive some sort of horse drawn coach.

Can you give some more details so we can look at the census returns for the years in question which might give a clue as to where he was working.

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Re: Groom and Gardener c. 1881
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 March 05 23:36 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Yes well as a Carrier he was living in the parish of Nottingham and I have seen a photo of where he lived-not very upper class!!!
In 1884 on my GGrandmothers birth certificate they were living on Edward Street in the sub district of "Park" in Nottingham by 1891 they were living at Newton Street.
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Re: Groom and Gardener c. 1881
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 00:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Burto

What was his name?

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Re: Groom and Gardener c. 1881
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 01:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Ticker,
His name was Harry/Henry (different records have different names-bad handwriting I guess!) Matthews.
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Re: Groom and Gardener c. 1881
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 29 March 05 09:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Burto

I think I've found him in 1881.  Was his wife Ellen?

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Re: Groom and Gardener c. 1881
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 April 05 10:07 BST (UK) »
Back to your original question. Smaller upper-class households economised by staff doubling up.  He probably worked for a household which had just one horse and cared for this as well as keeping the garden tidy.  A doctor would often have that sort of situation in his household.
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