FREEMAN WILES birth 1812 St Neots

[bellababy]

Hi hope someone can help me as ive become a bit stuck!
 ???I have been tracing Freeman Wiles born in St Neots around 1812  but im unable to find a specific date or his parents - I know he was a resident from 1841 ( from the census ) at Duck Lane and he worked as a solicitors clerk for a Mr Peppercorn in St Neots .
Thank you
bellababy

[charlotteCH]

if you could find him in 1851 census that would tell you where he was born.  You could then go to the IGI for that places' church records and see if his baptism is recorded.  That will tive you a date- and sometimes the record gives the birth date as well. His father's name will probably be on the baptism record..

charlotte

[bedfordshire boy]

In 1851 he was 39 birthplace St Neots. Unfortunately St Neots baptisms aren't on the IGI, or BVRI, and the transcript doesn't have a Freeman Wiles 1812 +/- 5 years (quite a few other Wiles though)

I'll see if he was a very late baptism once lunch is over. A 10 year old is suddenly starving!

David

[bedfordshire boy]

Welcome to Rootschat Bellababy

I think magret de canard is just about my favourite meat. My son doesn't complain either, but he eats everything other than asparagus, green olives, and cooked mushrooms.

But back to business, he does appear to have been a late baptism.

St Neots 31 March 1819 Freeman Wiles, son of Richard and Susannah Wiles, mealman. They also baptised Mary and Silvester the previous day.

Richard Wiles married Susannah Holmes, widow, in 1804 at St Neots, per Hunts Marriage Index.

Trying to find Susannah's maiden name, the only Holmes/Susannah marriage in Hunts was in 1803 at Glatton, Samuel Holmes widow and Susannah Stokes. But I can't see a burial of a Samuel Holmes 1803/4, so perhaps this isn't the right marriage. But there are no Holmes burials in St Neots that would work.

Burials in St Neots include
Richard Wiles age 53 on 22 Aug 1810
Richard Wiles age 38 on 21 Jan 1820
Susan Wiles age 66 on 18 Apr 1838
Richard Wiles age 80 on 23 Sep 1848
Naomi Wiles age 67 on 23 Apr 1881
Freeman Wiles age 70 on 1 Jan 1883

Silvester Wiles age 45 was unmarried living in St Neots in 1851 so his baptism was well late.

David

PS Have you seen http://calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/ArchiveCatalogue/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=%28%28%28text%29=%27freeman%20wiles%27%29AND%28Level=%27Item%27%29%29  ? Freeman Wiles of St Neots. Reward of £2 2s for apprehension. Left wife and family chargeable to the parish.

[bellababy]

Hi David

Wow im gobsmacked how did you find all that out so quickly - i thought  the bishop hadnt allowed information to be given to the latter day saints etc
I did have that article about him you mentioned and also his relation of William Case Morris of
Soham which made interesting reading.

Many thanks indeed
also to charlotte CH for your imput
Bellababy

[bedfordshire boy]

I didn't use the LDS.

Hunts FHS have transcribed St Neots parish register, and I have just the baptism transcript. Marriages up to 1837 and burials are on Hunts Marriage Index (another Hunts FHS transcription on fiche) and the NBI respectively.

David

[bellababy]

Well at least i am one more generation back  . Did you have any more luck with Susannah?
Richard Wiles ties in very well as there is generations named after him .
Your boy off for teacher training day? The suns shining here  - hopefully it is down your way .

[bedfordshire boy]

Afraid no joy with Susannah. Not sure about that marriage I found.

I'm assuming she's the one who was buried in 1838, which if her age on burial is correct (and it often wasn't) puts her birth at 1772. You really need to check the parish register to see what the entry says, eg wife of Richard, widow of Richard,  to narrow down which of the Richard burials is her husband. The 1810 one seems a couple of years too early given Freeman's census ages, but either of the others could be him. It doesn't help that I can't find (yet!) the one who should have been alive in 1841.

I'm checking for baptisms and marriages of the various Richards to see if they can inspire me.

No, normal day at school, but he comes home for lunch 12-2.

David

[bedfordshire boy]

As if researching in Hunts isn't hard enough, in addition to Richard who married Susannah Holmes in St Neots in 1804, there was another Richard who married Ann Palmer in St Neots in 1803

Two baptisms in St Neots were
Richard son of William & Henrietta Wiles, victualler on 30 Dec 1781
Richard son of Thomas & Letitia Wiles, gardener, on 29 Jul 1784

And at the moment I can't separate them. Was Freeman the solicitor's clerk the grandson of a gardener or a victualler? Or was he somehow connected to another Richard, yeoman, who was baptising children in the 1760s/70s.

And on that less than happy note, I've got a bit of tidying up to do as I've got a guest arriving from England tomorrow, so I may be a bit quiet for the next week or so

David