FREEMAN WILES birth 1812 St Neots

[bellababy]

Hi David,
I just clicked on your profile by mistake and i m glad i did- noticed on your profile your location is Carcasonne - drrrr for some reason im thinking your in an office somewhere in Hunts - oh dear me  im so silly!. Which explains the school holidays and lunch at home for your son !! I have visited Vias and Sete but didnt manage to get to carcasonne - shame as i bet its beautiful . Loved Vias and France in general - lovely way of life so chilled. Back to business was going to correct some of my information i gave you  Henrietta instead of Harriett Daughter to Susannah and maybe Richard. Would be good to find a marriage for James - eldest son to Susannah .
Will get back to you if i find out more  - Terry may have found some too
Bellababy

[bedfordshire boy]

Baptisms in St Neots:
James Wiles 11 May 1807 (born 1 Dec 1805) son of Richard & Susannah corn factor
Henrietta Wiles 11 May 1807 (born 3 Dec 1806) dau of Richard & Susannah corn factor
Mary Wiles 30 Mar 1819 dau of Richard & Susannah mealman
Silvester Wiles 30 Mar 1819 son of Richard & Susannah mealman
Freeman Wiles 31 Mar 1819 son of Richard & Susannah mealman

From the birth dates helpfully given for James and Harriet it's clear that they were from Susannah's marriage to Richard Wiles, not from her first marriage.

Henrietta Wiles married Samuel Church of Goldington Beds at St Neots in 1832

I have two possible marriages for James, and am trying to separate them

I'll be back

Thanks for the gentle nudge - I knew that on one of the boards I'd said I'd look up St Neots, but had forgotten which thread it was!

David

[bedfordshire boy]

There are two possibilities for James' marriage:
1829 James of St Neots and Rebecca Fletcher at Eynesbury
and
1831 James and Mary Gillings at Toseland

There's a burial at Toseland of Mary Wiles aged 30 on 14 Feb 1837, but it needs reference to the PR to see if she was described as wife of James. But I can't find any subsequent sighting of James. However there are other burials 1816-33 in Toseland, so I think it's possible that James was from that parish. Again it needs reference to Toseland parish register to see if he was baptised there. If he was that would leave the field open for the 1829 marriage to be your James.

There was a baptism of Griffin Fletcher Wiles in St Neots on 27 Feb 1830, son of James and Rebecca, butcher. The BLARS lease that you found to which James Wiles was a party had his address as Provost St, City Rd, London. In 1841 Griffin appears at Brunswick Place, Clerkenwell with George Squire 25, Rebecca Squire 29, Griffin Wiles 13 Not b in Middx, Frances Wiles 10 not, John Wiles 8 b in Middx; Edwin Wiles 6 b in Middx; Rebecca Wiles 2 b in Middx. Still living in Clerkenwell in 1851 were
George Squire 35 b St Neots; Rebecca Squire 40 b Toseland; Edwin Wiles 14 b Clerkenwell; George Squire 9 b Clerkenwell.

There is a death in the GRO index of James Wiles in the Dec quarter 1839 at Islington, but it would take the purchase of the death cert to get more detail, including his age and address. Hopefully it would say Provost St. Clerkenwell which is in the London Borough of Islington, which would at least tie him in with the London family. Provost St is only 100 yards from Brunswick Place

Interesting too that Rebecca Wiles appears to have married a Squire from St Neots. But I can't find a marriage.

When Griffin Fletcher Wiles married in St Pancras in 1850 he named his father as James Wiles dead.

Nor can I see that James and Rebecca baptised any of their London children. However Freebmd has a birth of Rebecca Ann Wiles in Islington in the Sept quarter 1839, but it will take another £9-25 to buy the certificate!

It's a scorcher here today. Went out earlier this afternoon to watch the Tour de France passing through Castelnaudary, a few miles from here. Too hot! And it's all over in seconds.

Still trying to tie up some St Neots end, but thought I'd post it before the computer overheats

David

[bedfordshire boy]

James Squire of St Neots married Mary Burder of Buckden Hunts at St Neots in 1761

I'm looking for Wiles baptisms from 1769 onwards

More tomorrow

David

[bedfordshire boy]

But who was Richard Wiles? The problem is that there were two of them baptising children in tandem in St Neots.

Your Richard and Susannah and another couple, Richard and Sarah, labourer. I assume this second couple was Richard Wiles and Sarah Small who married in Brampton in 1794 and baptised their first child in St Neots in 1798. A further assumption is that the Brampton Richard wasn't born in St Neots.

In any event, there's only one Richard born in the right era, and he would have been too young to have been having children in 1798. He was baptised on 29 July 1784, which is a couple of years adrift for the 38 year old buried in 1820, the son of Thomas and Letitia, gardener.

This couple was Thomas Wiles otp who married Letitia Watts of Eaton Socon, Beds, at St Neots in 1769. In addition to Richard in 1784 they also baptised:
7 Dec 1770 Richard
14 Oct 1771 Elizabeth
5 Dec 1777 Letitia
27 Apr 1781 Ann
22 Sep 1782 William
7 Apr 1786 Thomas
13 Mar 1789 Ann
2 Jun 1793 Maria (described as poor)

The position might be complicated by the couple you mention, William and Henrietta Wiles, a victualler, who baptised Sarah on 4 Jul 1773 and Ann on 2 Apr 1780. Might they have had other children who weren't baptised, given that Richard and Susannah's first daughter was named Henrietta? Pure speculation! You might consider contacting Huntingdon Records Office to see if they hold any Wiles wills which might help to sort them out.

David

[bellababy]

Once again thanks so much David for your help - it would be nice if James Wiles son of Susannah and Richard born 1805 is the James Wiles who marries Rebecca Fletcher as this family have quite a lot of interesting reading (wiles army steam cooker  and Club Hotel Clunes ) Lets keep our fingers crossed. Items i have read put James Wiles death at around 1839 - 1841 but i need to check this.
Richard and Susannah parents of Freeman is confirmed on a will dated 1838  and mentions the property on Duck Lane.
But which Richard is it ??
I think i will have to order Richard and Susannah s marriage certificate then i have definate names.
So its between the gardener and the victualler ? The will mentions property built on the previous Three Black birds Inn could this have belonged to William ? there is a William Wiles in the 1830s Pigots directory down as merchant and maltster in Market Square?
I think i need to write all the information down in some sort of order to try to work this out but for now i will say goodnight
Very puzzled
Bellababy

[bellababy]

Could it have been Richard born in dec 1781 son of William and Henrietta.
Married Susannah in 1804 approx age 23 .
Died in 1820 age 38/39.
The ages and names seem to connect .
Ive got the bit between my teeth now !!!
Bellababy

[bedfordshire boy]

Could it have been Richard born in dec 1781 son of William and Henrietta.

Sorry, I missed this one. Baptised 30 Dec 1781. With bad eyes, microfiche and a 20x magnifying glass and doing a blanket search I'm not infallible.

[bellababy]

David
This was info you gave me some time ago and it was just as i was checking through that i noticed it and the dates seem perfect. There is also a William Wiles in the Pigots directory 1830 with a William Wiles from Eynesbury .
We could do with some of your sunshine as it has rained for ages here !!
Bellababy