Jane Eltingham/Thomas Scott - looking for info, please help!

[WolfieSmith]

Or, a baptism at Ryton Holy Cross.
15 Oct 1818 Jane Eltringham, of Greenside, daughter of Andrew Eltringham (pitman) by his wife Ann.
Need the marriage cert to confirm fathers name I think.
Alan.

[2zpool]

How about this baptism.  Gosforth:  Thomas Scott baptised 22 Feb 1813 s/o Mark and Margaret, Fawdon, Pitman

This Thomas had a sibling Esther baptised 7 June 1822

Also a burial of Mark Scott, Fawdon Square, age 49, 14 Feb 1836

Marriage Newcastle All Saints:  Mark Scott and Margret Charlton 19 Sept 1807

Janis

[2zpool]

2 Baptisms in Longbenton that are to Mark and Margaret.

James Scott born 17 Jun 1808, baptised 18 Sep 1808 first son of Mark Scott, pitman, native of this parish by his wife Margaret Charlton native of Simonburn

Ann Scott born 21 Jan 1811, baptised 10 Mar 1811 1st daughter of Mark Scott, piman, native of this parish by his wife Margaret Charlton native of Simonburn

Pretty place Simonburn.

Mark Scott's baptism 13 May 1787 son of James and Sarah in Longbenton, Bewicks Row

The most likey Margaret Charlton is one baptised Simonburn 29 Oct 1786 to Thomas Charlton and Ann Usher  The BT's skip this year-well several years.

Janis

[kkhh]

I have to tell you that you folks are simply amazing!  

Tati: Thank you!  The 1851 census that you mentioned - I do believe this could be the right family - the ages and dates fit.  I have no record of an child Margaret or Ann on this side of the water but it could be that Margaret was already married by the time the family emigrated and either stayed in England or I can't locate her because records here are in her married name; Ann may not have survived. I believe that Sara, b. 1851 did not survive because Thomas & Jane had another daughter named Sarah b. 1861 in Nova Scotia.  I've found traces that indicate Esther Scott was living in Cape Breton in 1865.  The records here are not very reliable for that era - the first detailed census wasn't until 1871 and marriage, birth and death records can be sketchy.  I think that you are right Tati about Jane being the second wife - I wondered that myself because of the age gap in the children.  This leads to a question - what's the likelyhood that her daughter Jane was illegitimate? Was it usual for a widow to remarry using her maiden name or married name?  I've seen it both ways in records over here.  

Michael - I really appreciate your replies and all the information you've provided.  The knowledge of the place names, relationships and possibilities will be very helpful.  

Alan:  Thank you so much for the baptismal records for Jane - I'm not sure what you mean about needing the marriage cert to confirm father's name.  Either of these could be my Jane but wondering - did shoemakers tend to intermarry with miners or were they in a different ummm social class?  

Janis:  Thank you!  This could well be my Thomas.  I've found a family tree that shows Mark Scott (christened May, 1787 in Longbenton) marrying Margaret Charlton in 1807 at All Saints, Newcastle; their children include Esther, James, Ann and Thomas but don't have DOBs. Is Longbenton near to Gosforth?

Would anyone have any advice on how to find further info about Jane Eltringham's daughter Jane and if Jane Sr. was married previously?  I'm descended from Jane Jr. so this adds a definite twist to the family history.  Many thanks to everyone!

[2zpool]

I modified my answer so you might want to look at it again.

Also Baptism Ryton:  Jane Eltringham 5 Nov 1837 d/o Jane, Crawcrook  (no father usually means Jane sr. was unmarried)

An English marriage certificate will have both parties father's names and occupations.  It will also given the status--bachelor, spinster, widowed, divorced.

Janis

[Michael Dixon]

 kkhh,

 The parishes of Longbenton and Gosforth were neighbours.

 See very useful map of Northumberland's parishes.  

www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/nblmap    

 The map is interactive and reveals an A-Z of every parish.

The River Tyne , in the main, marked the border between the counties of Northumberland and Durham. The City of Newcastle comprised the four parishes of St John's. St Andrew's, St Nicholas's and All Saints.

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In my view there would not have been a great social divide between shoemakers and pitmen. Both relied on each other.

Michael
Fawdon

[Michael Dixon]

 Map of County Durham parishes...

www.joinermarriageindex.com/pjoiner/genuki/DUR/durmap


Michael

[2zpool]

Give us something that we can get our teeth into and no telling what we can come up with.

Baptisms Longbenton:

3 Esthers but one that might be 3 yrs old  in the 1841 census

Esther Scott 18 Feb 1838 d/o Thomas and Elizabeth

There is an Esther Scott birth registration for 1838 Mar ¼ Tynemouth 25 343  this would give the mother's maiden name

Janis

[2zpool]

Looking at my Northumberland marriages - best Elizabeth for the time.

Newcastle St. John:  Thomas Scott and Elizabeth Cook, both of this parish, married by banns, 9 June 1834, she made X, he signed, witnesses:  William Cook and Henry Cockburn (serial witness)