BATHO (Anglicized to Barrett) John born about 1865 in "Moelfre, Denbigh"

[hiraeth]

This is definitely the family because in 1891 JB's family are listed at the same farm in Llansilin under surname BATHER.  Including the youngest son William Cartwright Bather age 4   ref RG12/2115/33/3

I wonder why everyone changed their surnames

[Gadget]

 

Just seen this part of the request:

Bits about JB's mother, Mary "Maiden name either Morris or Stone, from Pontfadwg/Chirk, widowed and later married a Mr Turner."

I'll see what I can find tomorrow on this - a bit late now!


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[wrjones]

They didn't change their Surnames,they were just transcribed differently!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[emmjaytee960]

Well, thanks 10^6 to all involved!! 
I shall update the family trees tomorrow. 
Regarding access to the whole tree, just send me the relevant ancestry co uk username, and it is yours.
 
Martin T.

[wrjones]

If James born c 1833 is found to be the son of an Edward born in c 1801 then your John is a first cousin to my Catherine,she being the daughter of a Richard born around 1833.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[Gadget]

Just seen this part of the request:

Bits about JB's mother, Mary "Maiden name either Morris or Stone, from Pontfadwg/Chirk, widowed and later married a Mr Turner."

I'll see what I can find tomorrow on this - a bit late now!


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From - the census information on Mary Batha, nee Morris -

1861 RG09/1876/39/5
1871 RG10/2779/35/11
1881 RG11/2656/35/3
1891 RG12/2115/33/3


- she was born Llansilin circa 1840

The nearest one that I can find  on the 1851 is with parents Thomas and Sarah, both born Llansilin:

Bryn Sais(?), Lledrod, Llansilin HO107/1993/235/18


The most likely marriage on the IGI is:

Llansilin, 8 May 1837 Thomas Morris and Sarah Davies

From the same census info, James Batha was born Llansilin circa 1831.

I don't see him at the moment on the 1851 but in 1841 he (and a possible brother Richard) seems to be living with a Catherine Jones,35,  farmer,  at Pantre Porth (?) which next to Cilrhiw  HO107/1401/bk18/7/6

This is the most likely baptism:

Llansilin 19 Nov 1831 James s/o John Batha and Mary

also

Llansilin 10 March 1833 Richard s/o John Batha and Mary




I'll do some more searching of my records later today.



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[Gadget]

I've just noticed that James and Mary Batha are living with Catherine Jones at Pentre Porth on the 1861 census - reference as previous posting.

James is described as 'nephew'

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[Gadget]

I think that this would be James and Richard Batha's parents' marriage:

Llansilin 7 Oct 1831 John Batha and Mary Jones

It's thus probably that Catherine Jones was Mary's sister

I wonder if it was this John and Mary who had the Glynceiriog/Pontfadog/Chirk connections


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[Gadget]

This looks like 'Uncle Huw' on the 1901:

Mount Road South, Higher Bebington, Cheshire
RG13/3384/22/34

BATHER
Hugh James, 29, sherpherd on farm, b. Llansilin
Mary Jane, 29, b. -do-
Mary,9, b. -do-
Annie, 7, b. -do-
Elizabeth, 5, b. Raby, Cheshire
Margaret Ellen, 4, b. -do-
Ernest, 2, b. Bebington


Hugh James Bather m Mary Jane Vaughan  Dec q, 1891, Oswestry v 6a  p 1431

In 1891, Hugh was working on the main Whitfield farm in Moelfre:

RG12/2115/25/4

The Whitfields had a number of farms - my great great grandfather worked for them in both  Llansilin and Chirk


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